1 monthReminds me of Google glass or whatever it was called. It’s not that people aren’t ready, it’s just a bad idea
- TheColonel@reddthat.comEnglish1 month
I used to run a comedy show during this era.
We straight up kicked those fucks out
- 1 month
I love that big tech was so arrogant they just plum forgot or choose to ignore why those died then.
And then above it they still chose the one thing everyone was mad about, a camera. All they had to do was not put a camera in there but they couldn’t resist.
- BeMoreCareful@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
They used to say that porn was the real driver of technology for home video.
- 1 month
I honestly don’t think so. I think they’re up there, but tech “enthusiasts” (read, tech bros and people who think random gadgets are cool) probably are. They’re happy to waste their money and give money to meta. Creeps are definitely number 2 or 3 though.
creeps, and creep supporters, ok. anyone giving meta money is at least creep adjacent if not a creep themselves.
- acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
90% of the point of these things is having AI analyze what you are looking at (and also monetize it with ads etc).
- lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish1 month
I think the product that speaks the most about the camera was the Snapchat Spectacles. Snapchat did everything they could to position it strictly as a fun, party-oriented camera that didn’t try to hide what it was but leaned into the fun ways to use it.
And they still died out after the initial hype. Which I think is most telling because, like, here’s this product with the most positive take you could possibly have on “glasses with cameras” and people still didn’t want it. So wth makes Google think the creepy no-fun version will catch on?
- anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 month
Not everything.
They should have gone full OG instagram and make the glasses look like a pair of old school Polaroid cameras that even spit out the picture.
It wasn’t dumb and they didn’t forget. The frog has simply been sufficiently boiled. Meta sold millions of these. The people complaining are a very small minority.
True AR? Absolutely not a bad idea, are you kidding me?
Take out the ability to record stealthily and they’re a great idea. Overlay art on walls, place monitors in your real space, do work on a laptop with the screen off, put directions in the actual world so you’re not looking at a screen, and that just what I can think of off the top of my head.
Don’t let the tech conglomerates ruin an amazing tech concept.
- 11 days
there isn’t any real way to prevent recording stealthily other than having the device stand out
- 1 month
Cities should be just as afraid of deploying Flock cameras.
- CADmonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
Did you know tubing cutters are cheap, portable, and silent in their operation?
Unfortunately, this has a habit of becoming a self-reinforcing need for authoritarian policing.
“Flock camera destruction” becomes the rationale for more cameras and more cops and more draconian punishments. And this cycle continues so long as the public continues to send up corporate shills and industry hacks to fill the municipal offices.
- Eggyhead@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
Oh good to know. I guess we’ll just have to stick with the alternative. Do nothing and watch it happen anyway.
No, you have to go after the local politicians who keep approving these systems. Electorally of course, you psychos. Your local city council rep is going to feel much more pressure from an angry letter from a voter than your senator would.
- MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
Yes? The reason shit you don’t like happens is because you refuse to a participate, you fucking dunce.
Specifically identifying the “pervert glasses” as “pervert Meta Ray-bans” would kill these products even faster. Associating Ray-bans with perversion would surely be a deal breaker.
- Canaconda@lemmy.caEnglish1 month
“Pedo glasses” has the least syllables. Doesn’t have to be accurate just has to make people feel disgusted at themselves for wearing them.
Start posting “No Meta Sunglasses” signs around playgrounds, schools, and water parks.
Trench Coats and unmarked vans are already synonymous with sexual predators. We got this.
- korazail@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish1 month
The real issue in my mind is privacy and autonomy. I want to be able to walk around without the expectation that I’m recorded. I’m male and don’t have the same the impact from the creep-factor, and absolutely get it, but the implications are larger than dudes looking at women.
Big difference from a “I am in public and can be recorded” to a “I am in public and I should expect to be recorded”. Another big step to "that recording is on a mega-corp server and can be viewed, reviewed, used as training data, cross-referenced, and otherwise processed without my consent because the person recording me consented; I really think this is the the crux, as I can have a tacit approval to be recorded by walking to a store, but I haven’t given any approval for my likeness, my position, my emotions, etc to be recorded by walking down a street. A TV show using unsuspecting public will get people to sign waivers granting limited rights to their footage afterwards, or blur faces – or did – before retaining and publishing.
I walk into a grocery store and I can expect that they have a CCTV (note the CLOSED CIRCUIT part) system to be able to review what happened in the case of a robbery or whatever. The tech of my childhood meant that the store had a stack of VHS tapes, or maybe DVD/HD/SSD that rotated and could hold (lets way exaggerate) a decade of footage. A decade after I left the store, there was no record I was there – maybe a receipt if I used a card, but I don’t actually know the PCI retention requirements. With cheap storage and 3rd-party cloud-hosted camera systems, the business no longer owns the records of my presence, and has only a data retention ‘agreement’ with the provider. I didn’t agree to my footage being used for any purpose other than the one implicit for safety/loss-prevention by visiting the store. Any use beyond that should be unreasonable search and seizure, but it’s not being done by the government, so isn’t illegal or something I could sue over.
Very similar situation to Flock/generic-ALPR-esq cameras. The trend used to be that unless you were somehow a person-of-note that you had effective anonymity in public: It took resources to monitor an individual’s movements, facial expressions, actions, etc. It no longer does, and so all this is effectively captured and stored in perpetuity. The real problem is that it’s everywhere. Good luck finding a grocery store that doesn’t have some cloud-provider surveillance. Good luck finding a gas station that doesn’t. Good luck even driving to a specific store that isn’t recording you constantly because you pass several cameras on the way and some are specifically designed to track your movements.
Bringing it home to the current topic of ‘smart’ glasses. I haven’t consented to being recorded by random person walking down the street with Meta’s camera on their face. Meta has no ethical rights to my “content”, regardless of whether the owner of the glasses has agreed to give Meta a license to their video as part of setting up the glasses. Ethical vs Legal, but we can keep pushing back.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but this shit is pervasive and won’t stop until we force it.
- MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
I want to be able to walk around without the expectation that I’m recorded
You should never have ever had that expectation, you are recorded all the time in public. This is a not a new thing and I doubt you ever complained about being caught on countless CCTVs before.
- korazail@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish1 month
I think you missed my point.
- We conflate Privacy with Anonymity. I have no expectation of privacy in public, but this is another nail in the coffin for anonymity ; and I used to have an expectation of anonymity.
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When I grew up, I could roam the local mall without an expectation that I was being recorded in perpetuity. My movements were recorded, sure, but stored for only as long as needed to prevent shoplifting or other criminal activity. I was anonymous unless there was a reason to look into my actions.
This is a not a new thing and I doubt you ever complained about being caught on countless CCTVs before.
CCTV is <100 years old and I’m rapidly approaching half that. CCTV was a shoplifting deterrent when I was a youth. Now it’s a weapon and it’s no longer CC.
Modern cloud-based video storage is no longer owned and operated by a single business or person. It’s all Amazon or Microslop or Meta and they will happily sell access to law enforcement or palantir or probably anyone who asks with a large enough check.
Anonymity is the ability to be a nobody. In the 90’s, we could expect that we were nobodies unless we did something worth noting. Recordings of us were ephemeral and irrelevant; overwritten next week.
Now they will be forever, and machine learning, face recognition, and processing power to correlate multiple data sources means that things you do today can be used against you in 30 years. I hope you can see that.
It’s not really the glasses themselves that worries me, it’s the rest of the tech stack. The glasses just add new vectors to the problem.
- 1 month
“A lot of men and their behaviors have ruined this product.”
Ruined? They’re using it for it’s designed purpose…
“I saw all these comments about if you wear those glasses you’re basically a predator or a creep, and I was like, ‘Oh, maybe it’s not a good idea to have those,’” said Kujawa. "I didn’t really think that through all the way… there are a lot of times where it’s not appropriate to wear cameras on your face."
Words to live by.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg remains convinced that smart glasses will eventually replace the smartphone.
Sure, Jan.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg remains convinced that smart glasses will eventually replace the smartphone.
Just a regular reminder that facebook has a massive child sex material trade problem, that they’ve actively done nothing to prevent, but they have called police on reporters reporting on it.
So Zuckerberg wanting his creepnology on every face, in every bathroom, hospital, etc, while he gets a copy of every video, is very much in character
There is an Android app that looks for the Bluetooth signatures of these glasses and alerts if they are nearby. Hopefully something exists on iOS devices as well.
Edit: The app is called Nearby Glasses and it is available on iOS and Android.
- swooper@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
I’m never buying Ray Bans again. I don’t want to be associated, fuck Ray Bans for taking that cash.
- 1 month
Good. Anyone caught wearing those in public should have them knocked the fuck off their faces…
- bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
I dont think this is deserving of violence, shouting “YO THIS PERVERT IS CREATING PORN OF ME ON HIS GLASSES” and making a big scene of it should be fun
- athatet@lemmy.zipEnglish1 month
No the reason they are too scared to wear them is because of the threats of violence.
- [object Object]@lemmy.caEnglish1 month
I was at an event and the host was wearing them
In the context of “his job is a promoter and you’re at an event he’s promoting, and he’s not hiding that he’s recording” I was kind of okay with it.
But normally you’d have some side conversations with the guy and I felt really awkward with him wearing the glasses.
I felt their presence made the event worse. A video guy would have been fine by contrast, because there’s judgement and editorial reatraint.
- 1 month
Nope, I would have walked out. There are precious few pictures of me in this world (and the ones that exist are mostly celluloid) and my plan is to keep it that way as much as possible…
- [object Object]@lemmy.caEnglish1 month
You might like my spouse
We were at a dinner event and they hired a drone operator to film it. So we’re sitting there, the musician is going on stage, and you hear brrrrrrrrrrrrr zrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the whole fucking time as this drove flies around you. We had an edge seat next on a patio so we’re the front row for the drone…
She spent the entire evening flipping off that drone so the footage wouldn’t be usable.
They didn’t ask for consent or a waiver or notify you they were doing that. We had tickets to multiple nights (bought months in advance) and they did this at all of them. We actually thought it was some annoying kid trying to be a brat until I saw the drone guy talking to the staff at the end of the night.
Super obnoxious.
- 1 month
This is the glasshole stigma all over again
Good. Good. Let your hate become your strength
