• ReCursing@feddit.ukEnglish
    2 months

    Any thing to back that up because that sounds like bullshit spread by the fascist US government who want NATO gone on behalf of Russia

    • Smackyroon@lemmy.ml
      2 months

      who want NATO gone

      hahaha we ALL want NATO gone around here, its a Nazi Imperialist org.

  • originaltnavn@lemmy.zip
    2 months

    I take it you don’t share a border with Russia or the USSR before that? We are not fond of imperialists here either, and our government has certainly contributed to some unjust wars over the years, but we have little choice seeing how the kremlin waged wars against its neighbors and own people. I hope for the day when we can live in peace and quiet together with our Russian neighbors, the vast majority of them seem like nice people, but as long as the current regimes over there persist we need some sort of oversized defense alliance.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      2 months

      NATO is the inter-imperialist alliance. Imperialism isn’t war, it’s a stage in capitalism and it results in vast plundering of resources and exploitation of labor in the periphery for the benefit of the imperial core. War is used as one option to maintain imperialism, as are sanctions and the buildup of dependence (such as exporting machinery that requires specific spare parts that only the imperialist country can produce).

      The USSR was anti-imperialist, which is why so much of the west was hostile towards it. The USSR was aiding liberation movements around the world, which dramatically hurt the profits of the western ruling classes.

      • originaltnavn@lemmy.zip
        2 months

        I unfortunately know a bit too many eastern europeans who experienced this aid to see the kremlin with rose tinted glasses. Of course “a random person on the internet said NATO is good actually” won’t change anyones mind, but I would generally recommend everyone to broaden which media they read. It is possible for several things to be true at the same time, for example both that the endless wars in the middle east and Africa are imperialist, and that there is a valid need for military defense against Russia, even if it is flawed.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          2 months

          Russia has absolutely no interest in invading Europe. This is a narrative used to justify increasing European military budgets as the spoils of imperialism are drying up and the global south is gaining more independence from the US and Europe. NATO is a blight on human progress and needs to be dissolved for a better future.

          • originaltnavn@lemmy.zip
            2 months

            So is Ukraine not in Europe or not being invaded? How about Georgia and Moldova? I guess the constant threats against Svalbard and Baltikum, as well as the funding and bribery of alt-right groups all over the west can be seen as technically not an invasion, but it does paint a scary picture. It might be true that Putin don’t want to invade western and northern Europe, but he is actively trying to reconquer what he sees as lost western colonies.