seen a bunch of people just hating on the Catholic church and even catholics for no logical reason at all
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3 monthsOK, After reading most of the comments, OP is clearly sealioning. Locking.
- 3 months
Mostly the child rape, but also the cover-up of the child rape. Oh, and the secret relocation of the child rapists to new places so they could continue raping children.
Also the genocide, a history of repressing the poor, the misogyny, Indulgences, the whole Crusades thing, the Spanish inquisition, the coalition with Hitler, the extremely problematic wealth of the Vatican, the homophobia, and the child rape.
Did I mention the child rape?
- 3 months
the coverups are a diocesan problem within the US not the vatican level and it has been addressed and the clergy punished
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So that just leaves the genocide, a history of repressing the poor, the misogyny, Indulgences, the whole Crusades thing, the Spanish inquisition, the coalition with Hitler, the extremely problematic wealth of the Vatican, the homophobia, and the child rape.
… Because the fact that they admitted it after years of covering it up doesn’t make up for it.
Also, read the last sentence in the graphics you posted.
Aside from that, stellar argument🤣
- 3 months
yes, numerous US bishops did that, thats why the pope brought the USCCB to the Vatican and most american Bishops, its a diocesan problem
The church hasnt repressed the poor, and the hitler thing was because the vatican is literally SURROUNDED IN MUSSOLINI, the Pope secretly helped Jewish families around Europe due to the Church’s reach
yes, numerous US bishops did that
Also numerous Australian, Canadian, Mexican, South American, Asian, Irish, Polish, Norwegian, other European, etc priests and bishops did that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
- 3 months
I read the page
its mostly american dioceses and there will always be bad apples, they should be excommunicated
And what is that saying about what one bad apple does to the whole bunch?
So I started reading this post since I figured it would have some interesting comments but its becoming apparent that there is some sort of ulterior motive here for the OP. I suppose it should have been obvious this was an exercise in bad faith since their initial comment includes, “…for no logical reason at all”. But congratulations on getting some decent engagement on this platform.
OPs basic question is being answered with valid points and their responses indicate that they are just reacting defensively and trying to explain away or excuse all of the horrific things the Catholic Church is provably responsible for. As for me, I wouldn’t trust my kid with any religious organization because I think they all have a pedo problem and can’t keep their hands off of children; their minds or their bodies…just look who keeps getting convicted of these crimes and I can assure you it isn’t the atheists people should be worried about.
- okwhateverdude@lemmy.worldEnglish3 months
Any institution that allows and venerates shitheads like “Mother Teresa” is undeserving of respect.
- 3 months
hey so, mother teresa ran multiple orphanages and distributed food to poor in Calcutta, India.
the missionaries of charity are still currently an active order there, performing charity
- wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafeEnglish3 months
Religion is a political tool made to opress the masses. Catholicism is particularly harmful for sanctifying asceticism.
They sell this backward idea where suffering and misery is glorified while engaging in pleasure, principally sexual please, is seen as sinful and impure.
It keeps people from raising against their masters and constantly feeling guilty about themselves for craving sexual satisfaction.
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It is. Some less some more. Religion is a strong tool to drive a cause. Look at the USA, at India, Afghanistan and the entire middle east. From egypt to isreal to iran.
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centralizing “religion” as one universal thing, check
america, india, the middle eastern nations and afghanistan are not Catholic nations
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Talking religion in general not just catholic.
Also the middle east isnt a nation lol
- wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafeEnglish3 months
I was raised in a catholic family, had church school every Sunday, wanted to be a monk. All until I reached the age of reason, I hope you will as well
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oh boy here we go
had little to no spiritual guidance as a kid with parents that barely understood the basics of Christianity, and never went to sunday school at all and most of the adults around me didnt even WANT to speak about anything “religious”, have been persecuted for my faith multiple times
and what order did you want to join?
Ignoring the myriad of other reasons, merely the fact that the catholic church opposes women’s control over their own reproduction (which is the only measure that works to alleviate poverty) should be enough for anyone.
ETA: also, isn’t it weird to be lectured to about sex by a virgin who you call father?
I’ll humour you (although I think you’re actually trolling)…
Incase you didn’t know, the catholic church opposes abortion and contraception.
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yes, it does. You should only have sex if you want a child, otherwise its quite hedonistic
Even Catholic teaching says that sex is vital for partner bonding beyond procreation.
The catholic church explicitly promotes sex for the purposes of unity within a married relationship.
The church also promotes having sex during non-ovulation times to dissuade natural conception.
So you’re a hypocrite who gets off (no pun intended) on telling others how to live, the worst kind of theist dickhead.
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to facilitate natural conception and sex can be of unity, but only when you do it for the purposes of having a child
- hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish3 months
I can’t speak for all of Lemmy, but I am against the Catholic Church for a number of reasons. They hid child abuse for decades (centuries?) by shuffling around the offenders, essentially protecting them from any consequences. They accept donations with the explicit stated reason to perform charitable acts, but the percentage they actually spend on charity is so small it would be illegal in a lot of places if an actual non-profit did it. They hold back science. Though it’s not a requirement, many practice circumcision, which is essentially mutilating a child. I could probably keep going, but that’s enough.
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they do not hold back science at all they do MULTIPLE charities in foreign countries, I have seen them with my very own eyes
and the shuffling around is at a diocesan level in the US, not the vatican
Ooooh… multiple charities… how generous!!!
The catholic church is only estimated to be worth $2.5 trillion (and they have their own country).
To put that in perspective, that’s enough money to spend $1 every second for ~79000 years.
Here’s an Irish Mayor recounting how Catholic priests raped and beat him repeatedly as a child, and how the catholic church of Rome sent out a priest during the investigation into the rapes just in an effort to discredit him and call him a liar.
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can you give me the timestamp when he says the catholic church sent a priest to silence him?
- hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish3 months
I didn’t say they don’t do charity, I said the percentage of their donations they actually spend on charity would be criminal for a non-profit.
The child abuse and coverup problem is absolutely not limited to the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Whether one thinks the church holds back science is mostly a matter of opinion. It seemed like you were asking for opinions, so I offered mine. If you were looking to debate, I’d maybe reword your original post so you don’t come across as sea lioning. The relationship between the church and science is complex, and to me, the bad outweighs the good.
- 3 months
well, depends on what you count as “charity”. They need to pay for the food of the charity workers, their housing, etc and actual charity, which is usually not logged or kept track of that much, no one notes down a starving childs name before giving him bread to eat
- neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish3 months
Because Lemmy is, for the most part, atheist. The reason why Catholicism seems to get more hate than any other religion is because it’s more often mentioned in media posted. And as for your “no reason” claim, you might want to read up on news regarding systemic issues with the catholic church and its hush-culture.
And you might want to read up on what the strawman-falacy is before trying to call everyone out on it. It’s not a strawman argument when people refer to specific issues or examples that answers your original question. Being able to name argumentation techniques and fallacies does not make you right.
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“sky daddy” is a strawman, because youre perverting the belief to make it seem crazy
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it is, because its making a strawman out of the beliefs and arguments of the church to make it easier to attack
Actually, supposing that God exists somewhere above us in the clouds physically makes much more sense than God living literally everywhere at once, while also living outside of our universe, and also living as a physical person 2,000 years ago, and also living in the past, and the future all at once.
“Sky daddy” is extremely charitable all things considered.
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It literally is crazy. What is ’god’ other than the father of everything (daddy) living in the sky?
Also, finally fucking research what a strawman is.
- okwhateverdude@lemmy.worldEnglish3 months
Cannibalism of zombie wizard. And before you dismiss it away as “strawman”, please carefully explain how transubstantiation during the Eucharist is not:
- magic
- cannibalism
We can use whatever terms you like. But I will draw a hard line at consuming human flesh and calling it anything other than cannibalism. Either it literally happens and that is pretty fucking gross, or it doesn’t in which case the whole point is moot and crazy to think it does happen.
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we are eating the body of Christ and drinking the blood of Christ. Not in the cannibalism way tho, and “magic”, say, is anything supernatural right? God cannot be comprehended by us, and nothing happens that is supernatural, but just out of our understanding of nature.
and Jesus wasnt a wizard. He was and is the son of God
Jesus Christ proclaimed at the last supper “this is my body, eat” because the crucifixion was nigh, and he was literally sacrificing himself for our sins so we may reap what we did not sow
For me; I suffered a Catholic school with undiagnosed Autism. That’ll turn anyone against it.
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the church really does need to launch probes and investigations into these “schools”
You’re going to face a lot of it, too many years of bad shit to live down. You’ll either have to incorporate the atrocities into your worldview and belief or relegate your faith to private. But luckily your moral framework is one that hinges on it never being too late to meaningfully act to improve the world, regardless of what anyone thinks about you.
As an athiest yours is my favorite faith, despite everything. Your culture and history is as beatiful and blood soaked and numinous and complicated as any other, I hope you come to see your place within it as compelling as your faith is to me.
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First and foremost all the raping of children. It isn’t just a few bad apples it is an accepted and protected practice by the institution.
Secondly the history of running concentration camps really sours my opinion.
Than there is the about 100 years of slave labor camps that they ran in the UK.
To me it is a mystery why anyone would support this fucked up institution.
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the raping of children has been condemned by the church. certain coverups are at the diocesan level not the vatican level
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It is comical to me that you think the diocesan organizational level is not part of church.
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it is, but you should not hate the entire church because of it, especially when actions have been taken against the perpetrators
I bet you think that Trump condemning Epstein MUST mean Trump never committed sexual assault, right?
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No logical reason at all?
Without going through a host of historical atrocities, modern day misdeeds and crimes, you could simply look at the global systematic and institutionalized protection of raping of little boys…for centuries. This alone would warrant the hate.
Bet you also wonder why the world hates Israel with a fiery passion too.
