• TheOrcWhoWrites@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19 hours

    I just looked this up. Why are anti-fascists now looked at as terrorists? Isn’t it good to be against fascism? I am a little confused at this whole thing. Could someone explain in layman’s terms.

    • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
      19 hours

      At the risk of sounding glib, but I’m completely serious, the US state is fascist. It’s not about good or bad, it’s about the state cracking down on its opposition. And it’s not just now. Opposing fascism ‘too early’ in the ww2 period before the US joined the war, say, by supporting the leftists fighting in Spain would get you targeted for repression in the purges of the 50’s we call ‘the red scare.’

    • mika_mika@lemmy.world
      19 hours

      antifacism seeks to disrupt the status quo. their messaging could be anything, national socialism wasn’t actually socialism. people don’t believe we are under fascist rule. all they see is a group of individuals seeking to disrupt the status quo and rock the boat which is analogous to terrorism. Hope you weren’t just being willfully ignorant, as understanding the mindsets of people who aren’t terminally online is important to actual change

      • Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish
        17 hours

        Antifa isn’t an organization. You’re “against fascism”. That’s it. It isn’t a statement about being ‘for’ anything, that’s usually the other side of the person’s sign. Fact is, fuck fascism, details unnecessary.

        I’m antifa, I’m “against fascism”.

        I’m also antishootingmyselfintheface, antitakingmeth, and I’ve been antiexcessivegrassinmyyard for almost 20 years now.

        • mika_mika@lemmy.world
          10 hours

          I am highly disappointed in otherwise intelligent people, who I align with repeat this tired response. I never said it was an organization, I know what antifa is and isn’t, and yeah I’m antifacist but this messaging and logic tells you you didn’t really want to address my comment. I said this fails to even attempt to reach the understanding of the average US citizen. If you think like this, and aren’t just repeating the responses you’ve seen online, I don’t think you understand people, period. Acting like antifa is not a modern movement that subscribes to an ideology and is something that is just to be expected of a good member of society is why people are easily convinced of the fascists attacks on the idea under that name and enables the messaging of the movement to be handwaved or persecuted.

          I’m anti-entertaining that communicating this way is common sense.

          • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world
            59 minutes

            You claim to be anti fascist while still regurgitating every fascist talking point against anti-fascism.

            Don’t hide behind whatever false equivalency you try and claim. Own your opinions with your whole chest and just own that you’re a fascist. I’ve seen you on this site long enough to know what you are.

          • Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish
            8 hours

            I’ll skip the insults and your self-masturbation and get right to the meat, if you don’t mind.

            Acting like antifa is not a modern movement that subscribes to an ideology and is something that is just to be expected of a good member of society is why people are easily convinced of the fascists attacks on the idea under that name and enables the messaging of the movement to be handwaved or persecuted.

            Acting like it is makes its own motivations seem like those deemed by a collective and not individuals making their own minds to decide for themselves (and gives the ICEstapo something to target). If a large number of people see something as fascist, it doesn’t make them ‘members of antifa’, if anything, they just have a concience and common sense. What’s the old addadge. “Reality has a leftist bias?”

            But that’s all we’re both doing for our own headcanons, isn’t it? ‘Acting’. Neither you or I can speak on what antifa is for everyone claiming it. It doesn’t even represent its own manifesto to question, so it feels a bit irresponsible and ego-driven to deem a purpose for it when we’re just two raindrops in antifa’s gutter, leaderless and self-enlisted.

  • unmagical@lemmy.ml
    20 hours

    JFC, y’all! It wasn’t over a zine. It was over moving a zine!

    • rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      18 hours

      Yes, zine is short for magazine, but the word carries additional connotations such as handmade or low production, anti-capitalist/fascist, and freely distributed

      • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        7 hours

        I’ve never heard the term zine but since last week I suddenly see it popping up everywhere

      • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        18 hours

        When I think of a pamphlet I think of the trifold thing or something similar, a zine would be several pages usually, probably staple bound. Though not as big as a proper magazine. I feel like a small pamphlet would be a postcard, or a one-sheet, or a leaflet, or something.

  • trainsrkool@lemmy.ml
    19 hours

    dont worry, im sure bluemaga will be all over this! Righttttt after november for some reason, vote bluemaga-no-matter-who!/s

  • Bristlecone@lemmy.world
    18 hours

    What person are we talking about here? Sorry I came into the comments to look for the article and I didn’t find anything

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
      18 hours

      After a three-week trial, a jury found eight of nine protesters guilty of “providing material support to terrorists”, among other crimes. For the Sotos, this “material support” included owning a “printing press” used to print anarchist zines and being part of a leftist book club, the federal government argued. The couple had already left the scene by the time guns were drawn. All eight of the defendants sentenced so far have received unusually harsh sentences – 30 to 100 years – essentially life in prison.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/24/prairieland-texas-ice-protests-zines

      • Bluedragon012@lemmy.world
        40 minutes

        Bless you for providing an article. Spreading the word to my friends. They never belive me about stuff like this.

      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world
        56 minutes

        being part of a leftist book club, the federal government argued.

        God forbid.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          5 minutes

          The book club is one of the best ways to start a political party! Lenin and the Bolsheviks started off as a reading circle. Prolewiki hosts a guide to organizing, and one of the primary texts goes over how to start a study circle and why this is a great pre-party formation.

          This isn’t to say I think it’s a good thing that these groups are being targeted. It’s the opposite. My point is that the establishment understands that knowledge and organizing are dangerous to their power.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      3 hours

      In what way is Trump communist? I can see the comparisons to Hitler, given that both are genocidal fascists, but if Trump was like Stalin and Mao the US Empire would no longer exist and a new socialist state would be in its place. Indigenous peoples would have their land back, and tech billionaires would be subject to the firing squad.

    • 1Malayali@lemmy.mlEnglish
      5 hours

      Trump = Hitler v2 would be more apt?

      Stalin + Mao fought against fascists, right?

    • All Ice In Chains@lemmy.ml
      14 hours

      Excuse you but this thread is about SERIOUS CRIMES like pushing a magazine that hurts feelings, not trivial things like the industrialized rape of children. /s obviously

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.netEnglish
    18 hours

    Apparently one of the prosecutors was named Kyle Shideler, truth is stranger than fiction.

    pissing and shidding and hitlering over people doing 4th of July fireworks in the wrong location