If all you got from that explanation was “no u” then you need to work on your reading comprehension.

I agree that this conversation doesn’t seem to be bearing any fruit tho

Well, that may very well be the most depressing comment I’ve ever read.

You either need to work on your listening skills or find some new less-vacant people to interact with, because what you’re saying is insane

Perhaps I should seek a sponsorship with all of the mentions this thread has necessitated. Unfortunately I’m not currently on the payroll (or formerly for that matter, lol).

Fearmongering about the idea of a neural network gaining consciousness is basically like doing free advertising for AI companies lmao

You are ascribing a power to them that they do not possess

For the record, I think neural networks have a lot of useful applications; for example, radiological image recognition. The term “AI” basically has no meaning though, and is most commonly used to describe LLMs, a technology that has very few (if any) good real world applications.

LLMs cannot fulfill these definitions.

Try to explain to me how an LLM could fit the definitions of “conscious” or “sentient”.

If you understood how computers work and also had a firm grasp on the English language, you would understand that there is no way to use either of those words to accurately describe a computer program.

I’m sorry that you have trouble grasping so many basic concepts.

Ironic of you to reference Dunning-Kruger.

All animals are conscious as far as I’m aware, though the complexity of their thoughts may vary. They all act of their own volition, computers do not and cannot act of their own volition.

You do not have to fully understand every aspect of consciousness in order to recognize that inanimate objects do not have it. “Will” is a component of consciousness, this is commonly understood. Computers are tools, they have no will. Computers calculate, they do not think, these are different operations.

I am not oversimplifying things, you are under-thinking things that are already simple (likely due to cognitive offloading).

Well it sounds like we agree then.

I would think you would need actual biological structures to achieve sentience. That’s a lot different than what these people are calling AI tho.

Edit: Also, if it is built out of natural biological pieces, at what point does it cease to be “artificial”?

Even in your highly optimistic scenario, the AI wouldn’t even come close to being comparable to actual sentience.

I can’t believe how many pro-AI arguments essentially boil down to “I do not understand words”.

We have a very solid and explicit definition of what conscious means:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conscious#medicalDictionary

The best neuroscientists in the world do not even fully understand the complicated intricacies of the workings of the human mind. We do understand 100% exactly how computers work. There is no comparison.

Do you not interact with any other actual humans?

Would you also like a link to the English dictionary?

Because it’s nowhere near correct

My man, allow me to introduce you to the dictionary:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentience

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentient

Did you ask your AI what the definition of “sentience” was or something? Because something/someone is hallucinating.

I can assert that because I have what is known as RI (real intelligence).

Sentience is defined extremely well, and explicitly; check out both definitions:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentience

Go ahead and click on through to the root word and check out every definition of that word.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentient

You could make such assertions yourself if you were to stop cognitive offloading and exercise your brain.

If you ascribe any level of sentience or intelligence to a computer, you definitely feel much less dumb than you actually are.

Again, I am not screaming. You are being ableist, I’m sorry if you don’t like the label, but it is the accurate label for your statements.

I’m trying to educate you, not chastise you. Try not to take it personally.

I do not feel inadequate, you are the one saying that ADHD has shortcomings (I would say “differences” myself, as I’m not a self-hating person). I have looked within and found peace, I have no issue. In addition to what you might perceive as weaknesses, I also have strengths that neurotypical people do not have. I am different from them, not worse.

Neurotypical people sometimes perceive my differences as a disability, because our society was designed for them, and not for me. Navigating a world that isn’t designed for people like you can be difficult, and the people who don’t themselves experience that difficulty view it as a shortcoming. When I am more well suited to certain tasks than they are (the inverse scenario), they don’t see themselves as disabled. It’s all a matter of perspective.

Aspects of ADHD suck, but it’s also what makes me who I am, it is part of my personality, and I love myself. Speaking from experience, you will “suffer” less from your ADHD when you stop viewing it in such a negative light.

What offended me about your original statement was the inaccurate comparison to AI. AI is unintelligent and has way different (and exponentially worse) issues than someone with ADHD. It is fundamentally inauthentic, and most of the ADHD folks I know (I have a large community) are the opposite. There are very few things I have less respect and affinity for than AI and the people who use it.

Plenty, I just wanted to add a “community notes” type thing

Because you are using ADD in a demeaning context.

Nobody said you can’t talk about ADD, I’m not comparing it to the r-word (you just did tho, which is also ableism), but when you are using any disorder as an adjective explicitly to describe the inadequacies/shortcomings of a subject, that is incontrovertibly ableist.

The language you use doesn’t just boil down to the words, context matters. That’s like saying that you can’t be racist without using a slur, it’s just not accurate.

Also, you can be both disabled and ableist at the same time. So suspecting that you might have ADD does not preclude you from being ableist/self-hating.

I have adhd btw, I am diagnosed. If you really think you have it you should seek a diagnosis, even if you don’t want to seek medication. Knowledge of self can do a lot for your mental health.

“Asking the AI to write stories for you” does not equal “using AI to write stories”

I’m on your side of the argument here dude, but you really need to fucking chill with the ableism

It can’t “take over”, it’s has no sentience or actual intelligence