I think the Mercedes beats it:
The Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ Sedan. Thanks to a massive 122 kWh (usable) battery pack and ultra-aerodynamic design, it achieves up to 926 km (575 miles) of range on the WLTP cycle.
But IDK for sure, because they use different measurements.
I sure hope you have better options then. IDK what country you are in, but it’s weird that it’s more expensive than here.
Maybe it’s because sales of EV is low, when inventory moves slower it makes products more expensive.
Maybe dealerships should just parallel import the cars? It is a free market after all, anyone that wants to can do it.
Protectionism under a different name.
No it’s not, the extra tariff is absolutely to compensate for subsidies in China. When EU subsidized Electric vehicles, the subsidies were equal for cars made in all countries, also outside EU.
China has heavily subsidized both development and production of cars in China. European factories do not get such subsidies, here it was on the sales, and was equal no matter where the car is made. For instance Tesla, Hyundai, Geely, Xpeng too received these subsidies 100% equal to European electric cars sold here.
So why don’t you take that ignorant comment and shove it?
USA subsidizes American MADE cars sold in USA protecting their home market, and China subsidizes China made cars in general no matter where they are sold. And that is what EU tax extra. The tax is even adjusted on a per brand basis, so a manufacturer that has not enjoyed high subsidies is not taxed for it.
European car makers too profit from subsidies and they make worse e-cars for double, triple the price.
This is decidedly false, China is still catching up on several aspects, and the price is way more comparable if it’s considered on a level playing field.
Yes China has done extremely well in this segment as they have in others, but they are not better quality than European made cars. Especially not compared to German cars.
USA is different than EU with their tariffs on Chinese cars, both in that they are way higher with 125%, where EU tariffs have a base of 10% and an additional protective tariff ranging from ZERO to about 25%.
Yes it’s nice, it still makes me laugh a bit because I think it cute. It’s funny though because it only began doing it this year after a software update.
I bet all the new cars are unfortunately, my VW is also constantly connected to VW.
We need to make that shit illegal. Until then we have to live with it, just as with our smartphones.
I know I can install AOSP and get rid of it, and I did use that for years, but I just want the hassle anymore.
VAT is a sales tax, and traditionally prices in USA are stated without that, sales tax in USA is local to the state you are in.
Companies deduct sales tax, so for them it’s irrelevant except of course for their sales.
The new electric Mazda models we get here are mostly made in China, but being in USA, I bet yours isn’t.
I like Mazda and have had a couple many years ago.
Just looked it up, GM claims it has a 65 kWh battery, and 150 kW DC charging rate. That’s not bad.
But it’s only 1 option. Where in Denmark we have 16 options below $25,000.
Personally I drive a VW ID4 which is a midrange car in Europe starting at $42,000 USD.
This Citroën ë-C3 is currently the cheapest at $17,218 USD excluding VAT.
https://www.citroen.dk/modeller/e-C3.html
DKK 139,900 kr. incl VAT is 111,920 kr. Excl VAT = $17,218 USD.
Here’s a recent list of alternatives:
https://bilmagasinet.dk/guides/billig-elbil
16 fully electric BEV car models all below $24,500 USD. 5 of them from China.
Denmark is traditionally a pretty expensive country to buy anything, we have the highest average price index in EU.
So I bet other European countries have even better prices.
Yes that would be fair, but IMO there should be an environment tax on gas.
That’s still ridiculously high for a car.
Yes it is a expensive, it used to be way cheaper, in 2022 it was “only” $43,000 IDK why the price has increased, I suppose they have made improvements.
Here $35,000 ex vat is a bit below average, which is probably more like $40,000 USD. Which is the starting price of the ID.4 here in Denmark.
Our 4 year old VW ID.4 cost $32,000 IDK including VAT or $26,000 excluding VAT.
So here we have nearly a similar hit for a 4 year used car! I hope you got a nice car. 😀
I heard about that, and that’s crazy. You gotta love all that freedom. 🤥
I don’t drive nearly that much either.
I understand the logic of the tax on gas to pay for roads, but here an EV is taxed less because it pollutes less. USA needs more of that.
When I open the door, the seats also slide back a little, so it’s a bit easier to get in and out, and then it slides back into position when the car is put in drive. 🤣🤣 Maybe it’s a bit silly, I find it mostly kind of cute.
But I too absolutely love the foot sensor for opening the trunk. It was also one of the first things I tested before we bought the car.
And the close button on the hatch is actually also surprisingly convenient.
They are the default, that’s why public services need transparency.
That’s not unique for USA, USA is just bad at doing these things right.
When I borrowed a car recently for a few days, it had a manual stick. It was kind of a nostalgic feeling, and I understand Americans better now that enjoy driving manual ( To us Europeans it was the default before the EV ) . It’s hard to describe, but I guess it’s a bit like when people like Vinyl records to play music. It somehow feels like you are more in contact with it, and you are more in control.
Still the automatic is superior for comfort and convenience.
Regarding the park thing, I’ve been using that button on our ID.4 for more than half a year now, and only recently I found out I don’t even have to, it goes to park automatically when I open the door. 😋
I like how they placed the gear knob on the ID.4, I only have to move my hand a few centimeters to use it. But somehow I feel like they could have made it even better, so I didn’t have to move my hand behind the steering wheel, but a bit more flux to it.
But maybe that’s to avoid accidental gearshifts?
With all the automatics in this car, I’m sometimes flustered a bit that it can’t figure out to change into forward by itself after I’ve backed out of the garage. And why the door doesn’t open when I approach the car.
Some of the new Chinese cars open the door for you. 😎
The PS is also just super comfortable and feels great on the road,
If the seats are as good as in the Volvo, they are absolutely stellar. We have luxury seats in our ID.4, but the ones in our neighbors Volvo are even better.
We always had European style cars with very good driving capabilities, but I’m still impressed that the ID.4 as a CUV is able to match them, it is a good deal higher than what we are used to, but the low weight balance because of the batteries, makes it way better in road capability than it looks. 👍
One of the things I really can still enjoy, is when turning into a bigger road, that smooth quiet confident way the car handles.
But not having a manual gear is also a first for us with this car, so that is part of it, probably not much of a factor in USA.
This is absolutely an issue, having used many 2nd hand cars for decades, most of them Japanese but also French because they were cheap, I was extremely astounded when we bought a 14 year old German built Opel Vectra, we had it until it reached 20 with next to no repairs, before it finally gave in mostly because of a legal technicality.
When we had our new (used) car at the shop, and borrowed an only 8 year old mid range car, there was no doubt that compared to that, our 20 year old Vectra was still a way nicer car, faster, smoother, more powerful and better comfort, and also better looking IMO, and would absolutely be worth the repair that was only a sixth of what that 8 year old car cost on the free market!
Problem is that our old Vectra is $850 in taxes per year, because the fuel economy isn’t as good as newer cars. And that $850 per year tax kills the economy of keeping it.
Our new car that is heavier and way more powerful is only $100 in taxes per year!! Because it’s an EV.
We ended up with a 4 year old ID.4, 😋
We could have had a more powerful Polestar cheaper, except my wife didn’t want anything Chinese, and insurance was more than 50% more expensive on the faster Polestar.
But we got a nice ID.4 77 kWh battery, and with literally all the options included.
One of our neighbors however went with the Volvo, which is also very nice.
Driving electric is really nice IMO, it feels absolutely super luxury compared to a similar ICE car.
Here in Denmark a Polestar 2 is just below $50,000 excluding VAT but including all other taxes.
Competition in USA is absolutely destroyed by crazy tariffs.
Yes, there has absolutely been some crazy situations in the past.
I thought Dacia was made in Romania?
We had the Dacia too a few years back, but it disappeared pretty quickly, I suspect it simply wasn’t good enough, exactly because as you say it’s incredibly weak, and has a very small battery, and although it was the cheapest when available, it clearly had worse value than the slightly more expensive competitors.
I looked up if you have any particular registration tax on cars in the Czech Republic, and as far as I can trell you don’t, except a very cheap flat fee of CZK 800 (roughly €32) according to Google.
The other cars you mention are pretty close to the prices here. The Inster is $20,800 USD. The Fiat Grande Panda the same, and the Renault 5 $23,400 USD.
So at least not as bad as the Citroen, but still a bit more expensive in the Czech Republic.
That said however, there is a long tradition in Denmark to remove equipment that is standard in other countries, and have it as extras here. Especially smaller rims than standard are common. But also cruise control and seat heating. A package of extras to “upgrade” to normal easily runs up to a couple thousand dollars.
This tradition evolved because Denmark had some of the highest taxes on new cars in Europe. And as a funny side effect, cars were sometimes exported from Denmark, to other countries, because the price without taxes was lower here. This could even be to the country where the car was made. 😋
Unfortunately Skoda doesn’t have anything yet in the low price segment, VW recently announced the ID.Polo to arrive next year, maybe there will be an equivalent Skoda?
Skoda are absolutely good cars, I bought the VW instead mostly because it was significantly cheaper as used, and there were more to choose among.
Here the median and average are about twice what you get in the Czech Republic. We are personally not up to the average, but we are doing fine anyway. 😋