A windmill can pulverize more grain per hour than thousands of humans crushing the grains with their bare hands. Ancient humans make modern humans look like amateurs.

The thing is, white people did talk about it. They bragged about doing it with their friends and family who supported them while anyone who didn’t support it looked the other way because they thought it didn’t effect them. People talk, people have always talked.

Source: I’ve spent almost my entire life living in the Southern US. My grandfather’s generation was basically pure evil and open about what they did. They also raised the Trumpists with their moral perversion.

I’m aware that this information wouldn’t be so interesting to the present apparatus of Western hegemony if it wasn’t to their advantage to spread it. There are plenty of atrocities the US supports directly which tend not to get as much news coverage. I chose Wikipedia because it’s a general amalgam of hundreds of different compromised sources rather than link any individual news source or government office. I have yet to see any evidence that contradicts what these highly biased sources say, only that I should believe a different biased source offering no evidence at all because the US is more evil (It is more evil, I agree).

The original claim was the meme, I said that internment camps are not at the same level as extermination camps or a campaign of elimination (the full text of what I said is on the mod-log, don’t want to break the rule I broke again by saying more), people asked me to prove that there were internment camps and I offered the well-known Xianjiang camps as an example. Since that exchange the primary argument I’ve had is that I fell for western propaganda, which I admit is possible. So far evidence to the contrary of the existence of the camps in Xianjiang have been claims by Chinese government officials I found myself which contradict one another. No hard evidence disproving any of the mountain of evidence (which could be compromised, I admit) has been offered. I am biased that I tend not to believe massive institutions which are advantaged by presenting specific narratives generally, which is why I don’t just believe what the english-language sources say nor do I believe what the Chinese authorities say without supporting evidence. I find that if there is a mountain of evidence that these camps exist, and if none of the evidence has been contradicted or disproven thus far, then it’s more likely that these camps exist than don’t exist.

Hundreds of links

I agree that there is frustratingly little evidence provided by the Chinese government when the Western claims could be disproven and discredited. All I can find are counter-claims which contradict one another.

It is not possible to prove something absolutely. It is possible to disprove things. This is also how science works. There is a ton of evidence supporting the existence of these camps, but others have made fair claims that this evidence is all suspect. I would like to see official evidence to the contrary of these claims, rather than counter-claims which contradict one another on the existence of these camps.

Do they exist or not?

I don’t like entertaining the stupidity that is the white genocide conspiracy theory.

I made a good faith effort looking for something that disproves the existence of the internment camps at Xinjiang but all I’ve found is government officials either claiming they don’t exist or do exist and respect human rights or are like boarding schools. I lack faith in massive institutions making statements that are convenient for themselves, especially when they make contradictory statements.

Yes the US is much worse. Yes capitalism is a sham. Yes racism is the single most evil and destructive idea in world history and must be dismantled. Yes the historical Dessalines was a hero.

Xinjiang internment camps

Xinjiang internment camps

Having read the compared stories now, I have to say I’m deeply offended at the results. The AI stories are quicker to read because they are chains of cliches which state and restate the theme of the story (as stated in the prompt) outright instead of demonstrating it through the charged and personal perspectives of the characters. The LLM generated text is meaningless word sausage formatted to be easier to read for people who don’t read much. I have never read something more cynical, and I have read plenty of trash by authors who hate their audience and consider them all to be idiots.

This is like comparing landscape paintings to photographs of the same landscape from the same perspective and asking random people to judge which one they think is better. This is an insane comparison.

It’s a traumatic part of growth. Every culture has a defined path you’re supposed to go down and pretend like you enjoy it but the reality of people is so much more complex than that we all hit the point where the contradictions between ourselves and the lives we are living becomes too much and changes need to be made. You can’t go back to pretending you are completely fine with what you thought you were fine with, you can only move forward. As for how to deal with this world in all its beauties and horrors now that you see it a bit more clearly, being around other real life humans who also see it clearly helps a lot. We weren’t meant to go through this alone.

LLM companies may now freely commit corporate espionage because the news media is locked into reporting the claims that LLMs are capable of things like this as fact. This is like when the US bombed the girls school in Iran and blamed it on AI and the news reported it as fact until it was clear reasonable people weren’t willing to accept that excuse in that context. Corporate espionage is certainly not as bad as the mass murder of little girls, so people are willing to buy it since it doesn’t matter as much.

How?

I’m sure people who abuse their family members have plenty of good qualities as well. I’m not sure how that’s relevant to what I said.

I think a lot of world problems would be solved if these things were encouraged instead. If someone needs their romantic partner to be a mindless sycophant, I would rather them have that with a machine than try to abuse a human person into serving them as would be more traditional. More children being born in situations other than exploitation and manipulation could only be a good thing.