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Cake day: June 17th, 2023
  • Can’t have serious discussions about most political topics here without it being just people endlessly spamming “capitalism bad!” or “Israel bad!”

    Generally people are just spamming the same talking points, ignoring any facts (like the fact that communism failed). Posting the same antisemitic conspiracy theories I’ve seen on the internet 20 years ago, but with “the Jews” replaced with “Israel”. There’s a lot of hateful people here and they compete with each other to be the most hateful towards the evil capitalist Jews.

    I don’t see anyone even attempting to think of ways to improve anything in the world, a lot of people just seem to think expressing hatred on the internet will somehow make things better.

    What economic policies could make our lives better? “Kill the capitalists!” How can we make peace in the world? “Kill the Jews!”

    That’s the level of political discourse on Lemmy.

  • Better? Conspiracy theories today are dumb as shit. When people had to navigate by the stars, they knew the Earth was round. Now you can show someone a hi-res digital images of the Earth taken from space and they’ll still insist it’s flat.

    Sure people believed that carrying bananas on a ship and/or going through the Bermuda triangle was bad luck, but at least there was correlation between these things and ships sinking. They didn’t get the causation right, but there is at least some data there. Now everything is just straight up lies, usually with some kind of racist intent, and most modern conspiracy theories fall apart as soon as you ask “but why would they want to do that?”

  • Yeah the details which helped foreign adversaries. That’s the definition of treason.

    If he said “The NSA is spying on everyone” there wouldn’t be a story. The details that aided foreign adversaries made it a story about him being on the run from intelligence agencies and made it an interesting story. You want it to be a story about someone doing the right thing and blowing the whistle, but it didn’t actually reveal anything we didn’t already know in the broad sense, it only revealed secrets that aided foreign adversaries.

  • Anyone who cared already had a good idea about what the NSA did. Go and read The Cuckoo’s Egg, a book published in 1989 goes into what the NSA does. it was public knowledge in 1989 that the NSA was monitoring all phone calls and all internet traffic back in the days of modems.

    Nobody cared back then and the NSA continues to do what it does and nobody cares now. Nobody actually cares about privacy and constantly willingly share pretty much all information about themselves that’s possible to be to be put onto a computer.

    Snowden essentially just revealed that the NSA exists to people that were ignorant of it. But while doing so he revealed other state secrets to adversaries.

    When the EU makes laws that require companies to disclose they’re tracking you, people are angry at the EU because the cookie popups are annoying. It’s very clear people would rather be tracked without knowledge of it than have even a popup on their screen. All of the information these companies collect is bought and sold regularly.

    It’s trivial for the NSA to just buy all of your purchase history and all of your activities online because all of that is tracked by marketing companies and no one gives a shit. Suddenly you’re upset if the government knows what everyone else knows? It’s like putting your personal information on a billboard and getting angry if someone that works for the government happens to drive by and see that billboard.

    The only thing of significance that Snowden did was share specific state secrets to adversaries. He currently lives in Russia and says whatever Putin demands that he says. He’s just a Putin stooge now.

    People like the narrative of this guy who blew the lid on something nobody knew before, but anyone who cared to know already knew the NSA monitors communications, it’s kinda their whole thing. According to the narrative, the evil governments are after because he revealed the existence of the NSA. The truth is the existence of the NSA wasn’t a secret it’s just the ignorant didn’t know about it. The whole point of the NSA is to monitor communications, and it was widely known the degree to which they did this. The budget of the NSA is something you can see in public records.

    Not long after the Snowden story went from the limelight, everyone went back to not caring about the NSA. Nobody actually cares about privacy, they just pretend to be upset about it for a short time before there’s some other story to pretend to be upset about.

  • Only atheists and fundamentalist Christians take the Bible literally.

    We are sentient now (some more than others) but our ancestors were not sentient. There was nothing that was artificial before we were sentient and everything was nature. There was no good and evil, there was just finding food eating the food and surviving another day.

    At some point humans became sentient. Aware there is more going on than just eating and pooping. If a monkey kills another monkey it’s just doing what it has to do to survive. If a human kills another human, that’s murder. There is no good and evil without sentience. There was no sin in the Garden of Eden before humans had knowledge. Being sentient means you’re aware of evil, and you have free will. You don’t have to follow God’s will.

    Maybe we’d be better off if we remained monkeys living in trees? All of the other lifeforms on the planet would certainly be better off if we had. There’s a pretty good argument that humans becoming sentient wasn’t a good thing to happen to the world.

    But it is what it is, we are sentient. Can’t change that. We can’t go back to the Garden of Eden. After you’ve eaten something you shouldn’t have, you can’t undo it. Once you have knowledge, you can’t just unknow things. Ignorance is bliss and knowledge can be a curse.