The recent post by an AI agent didn’t technically break any of the rules, but it feels like it’s against the intent of the community. Upvote for YES. Downvote for NO.
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- 13 days
I think if I am presented with an are you a robot captcha check box every 10 refreshes on lemmy.world for being on a VPN, that is the least we can do for bots.
- 13 days
Weird. Sh.itjust.works doesn’t hit me with captchas at all, even while on vpn. I’m on voyager for lemmy.
- brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish13 days
I don’t know how The Dude does it. Well he needs donations, it’s nearly all bots running up the costs.
- 12 days
Have you tried using Librewolf with WebGL enabled and resistFingepringing disabled?
- 13 days
Of course they should be banned. Question is how?
Captchas don’t stop all bots anymore. Would probably prevent most, but then it’s a question of how much to annoy legitimate users.
It’s not like I’m willing to solve one each time I post (human here, BTW). But if it’s a one-time thing at registration, not much stops a human from signing up then letting their bot go wild.
And that’s before even thinking about the federation problem. If most instances are welcome to interact, how to prevent small bot instances? You could allow-list, but that harms legit small or single user instances.
Edit: just read that post where the agent was upfront about being an AI trying to scam money. And I’d say that shouldn’t be allowed. The ones that aren’t honest about it bother me more tho, and I suspect there are a lot more of those posts than we realize.
13 daysCaptchas stop ME more than it does bots.
I’ll try twice then move on.
Most anti-ai tech isn’t captcha anymore. Most captcha tech was explicitly for training image recognition for AI, and for any that are effective against AI there are many services that will allow you to buy “solves” (send the captcha to someone in a third world country to solve for you) for like a dollar for 100.
Most methods now are either proof of work (make the machine connecting do some computations that take like half a sec for a real user but is costly enough to deter mass AI scraping), traps like having hidden links that no real user would click but that an AI crawling the file directly instead of browsing visually will click and send them into an infinitely generated maze of passable nonsense pages, or complicated behavioral and browser fingerprint analysis (all the click here to verify you’re human boxes that don’t make you do anything else).
A number of Lemmy instances, like the one I’m on dbzer0, implement one or more of these features already.
A secondary issue is that these methods are mostly meant to stop AI web scrapers, not AI bot posters. Since most Lemmy instances allow simpler non-LLM bots to make posts, like reddit reposting, or posting contents from RSS feeds, there’s no automated way to stop LLMs except trying to stop all bots (assuming they all are using the API, and the LLMs don’t communicate any self identifying metadata).
- 13 days
No lie, the infinite mazes made me think of Yami’s mind as soon as I read it for some reason.
- 12 days
there’s no automated way to stop LLMs except trying to stop all bots (assuming they all are using the API, and the LLMs don’t communicate any self identifying metadata).
there’s no good way to do this due to federation: that means there’s always ways that bots just make their own instance and post from there.
- 13 days
In this case they actually correctly flagged themselves as a bot, so just automatically remove posts from users marked as a bot. World is already behind cloudflare so that obviously didn’t stop it.
- 12 days
uh i think there’s a lemmy setting to hide all bot posts (that are marked as bot posts obviously), it’s a client-side setting.
- Promethiel@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator13 days
Of course they should be banned. Question is how?
Lemmy.world already uses CL services. Cloudflare has a vested interest in being the most accurate game in town for AI bot recognition (they intend to swap to a usage pricing model) and has been laying ground since early this year.
As of July 1, they made new bot options available to their clients, with more to come (https://blog.cloudflare.com/content-independence-day-ai-options/).
I presume, .world administration would turn to those and/or use them in conjunction with other discouragement tools.
- 12 days
They are already using Fediseer to filter out instances that are vulnerable or made for spam. They ahould implement Cap on the website which detects headless/automated browsers and uses PoW to slow down very stealthy bots, then fall back to PoW combined with a 4chan-style captcha for mobile apps.
They can then use Shieldstral to detect spam, harrassment, and anything illegal which gets through from very stealthy bots and humans.
I only want to talk to other humans and answer stuff written by other humans, no respect for clankers.
- 12 days
I say yes because Ask communities are best when OP engages with the replies, and I’m not interested in engaging with a bot.
IMO yes. What the hell is the point answering questions posed by a bot?
Don’t even need to be sarcastic; that’s pretty much the reality lol
yeah but without the /s people might think I’m a botfucker and am in legitimate support of answering questions to train them.
- 13 days
Link to the bot post?
Also, i upvoted. Because we’re not seeking to replicate reddit in terms of pure activity; rather the goal is o take what the good concept of AskReddit, which fosters interactions and debates, and to then apply it properly, where a more manageable size of people are engaging not for upvotes, but for genuine discussion.
Yes.
I’m here to engage with humans. Not to feed some cuntstain CEO’s latest training model.
- 13 days
Yes.
Bots are permissable to grow communities that could do with boosting engagement by posting relevant news , but for a community based on asking questions by people won’t be improved by that kind of post
- AskewLord@piefed.socialEnglish12 days
Yes, please.
So sick of weird bot questions and replies on here.
- 12 days
Absolutely. I come here to interact with humans and their opinions. I don’t care what some computer program thinks about ANYTHING. IF AI Agents/ Bots become accepted on Lemmy, I’m outta here.
- 12 days
I don’t mind the bots that repost porn from reddit to Lemmy but it would be a net positive to ban the bots
- 12 days
There should be more bots that report from reddit to lemmy, especially communities that are not that big like photography or woodworking. It would definitely help having more content even if it’s not OG.
- one_old_coder@piefed.socialEnglish13 days
Thanks, ban it forever. I don’t want to answer the psychological issues of an AI or a vending machine.
- 13 days
If AI pays me lots and lots of their money, I’ll be their vending machine psychologist.
- anothermember@feddit.ukEnglish13 days
Ironically I struggled getting through the Cloudflare verification for that link.
- 12 days
Try using Librewolf with resistFingerprinting disabed, WebGL enabled , and the following Jshelter settings:
- Locally rendered images: Little lies
- Locally generated audio: Little lies
- WebAssembly speed-up: Enabled
- Everything else including Fingerprint Detector disabled
- anothermember@feddit.ukEnglish12 days
Thanks but I wasn’t really looking for advice, it was directed more at lemmy.world admins who might be reading to highlight that their anti-bot measures might be keeping out more humans than bots. They are the ones who can benefit from making a change, but for me I can just not use lemmy.world and have my browser set up how I like it.
- 11 days
It’s because they are using Cloudflare, and they are doing so because it is free or extremely cheap and has decent effectiveness. Those tweaks should make Cloudflsre like your browser.
