- rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish5 days
Google Chrome’s next update will mark the end of
popular ad blockersa large portion of the public using their vanilla product that stops ad blocking - 87Six@lemmy.zipEnglish5 days
It baffles me. I told my dad I can get him adfree youtube in just 5 minutes if I install firefox on his phone.
His response was that he doesn’t want to install “yet another app” as if it’s a big deal.
I’m so often left speechless by this stuff. It’s asinine.
Eat your ad slop then… Wtf else can I say…
5 daysThey don’t want to be bothered learning something new, they’ll just stick to what works for them.
- 87Six@lemmy.zipEnglish5 days
Learning what? There’s no learning involved, unless you count pressing a different app icon and typing in youtube in search as “learning”.
And in the specific case of my dad, he’s no tech illiterate. He has Linux Mint on his laptop. He can get by just fine. He’s just really fucking lazy with this stuff.
- elucubra@sopuli.xyzEnglish5 days
I can understand that.
I’m an early Xer, and my mom an early boomer. She’s been a computer user since the late 70s. Right now, She does all these things, install a bajillion apps for things like the BBC and 10 other news services even though I have explained to her that she could have them all as bookmarks in FF, with ad and tracker blocking, etc.
She understands it. She does, but at her age she can’t be arsed to open a website, bookmark it, then go to bookmarks, etc. I’ve even tried to get her to turn things into PWAs, which she gets ! But can’t be arsed.
I’m an IT guy, the eternal tech support for friends and family. Now my eldest son is an analyst at a major telco, and I send him all the traffic, and sometimes even ask him to do or figure out stuff for me, because I can’t be arsed. Same reasons I’ve been on Mint for a few years, until I discovered CachyOS. I started my Linux journey in Slackware, painfully downloaded as diskette images, and have been distro hopping all my life, using all major distros at one time or another. Now I can’t be arsed.
Im still a tinkerer, a maker, homelabber, etc. but the mundane, I can’t be arsed.
Sounds like chrome gonna lose a bunch of subscribers because fuck that
I think that the concern is whether a number of websites might stop working with Firefox if Chrome users consistently represent ad revenue and Firefox users generally don’t.
I use Firefox, but it has relatively-limited marketshare in 2026. A lot of people just browse on mobile devices and on Android devices, and there Chrome’s probably the default browser.
https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/
Chrome at 70.25%.
Safari at 15.72%.
Edge at 5.14%.
Firefox at 2.19%.
- BCsven@lemmy.caEnglish6 days
That’s going to change though with ad blocker not working on chrome, more people will install Firefox for android.
Yeah, that’s true. But…if a website derives its revenue from ads, a non-ad-viewing user — and users who switch browsers so as to use an ad blocker would presumably be blocking ads — loses that website money rather than generating it. Like, for such a website, the issue would be how many Firefox users that do view ads would be lost if their website didn’t work on Firefox.
Those of you who remember the early 2000s, when Internet Explorer had very high marketshare, probably remember a number of websites that didn’t work with other browsers.
- WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
Google is already killing the ad revenue model of the web by presenting the content it scrapes with AI for search — effectively stealing their content for profit — instead of ranking links so users navigate to their sites. Many have ahead seen a 70-90% drop in traffic, resulting in a 70-90% drop in ad revenue.
Capitalism is a blast, huh? Crime is very legal and very cool!
Broad rule of thumb for me:
If your website needs ad revenue to either exist, or that’s fundamentally its entire business model?
That website does not need to exist.
Now sure, are their caveats to this? Yes. But broadly, its usually true. The website should exist as a small loss leading part of your whole shebang, or should have some kind of membership or donation model or something else, to fund itself.
Its also not that hard to make a website follow broswer agnostic standards. If the website can’t figure out how to do that, if they think its fine to be a browser-vendor exclusive website, I don’t need to use it.
- masterofn001@lemmy.caEnglish6 days
Useragent Detection - Your Current Useragent: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 10; K) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/149.0.0.0 Mobile Safari/537.36
Browser userAgentData HighEntropyValues: { “platform”: “Android”, “platformVersion”: “10.0.0”, “mobile”: true, “model”: “K” }
Browser Name: Chrome
Browser Version: for Android
OS: Android 10.0
Hardware Vendor: Unknown
Hardware Model: Unknown
Screen Width:
Screen Height:
Is it a desktop device: No
Is it a mobile device: Yes
Is it a tablet: No
Is it a crawler/robot: No
Is it a console: NoThat’s what is returned by their browser detection tool for Vanadium on graphene.
Cromite is even more privacy oriented, returning
Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 10; K) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/148.0.0.0 Mobile Safari/537.36
{ “platform”: “Android” }
Browser Name: Chrome
Browser Version: for Android
OS: Android 10.0
Hardware Vendor: Unknown
Hardware Model: UnknownTheir stats combine ALL versions of chrome (chromium) which would also include things like cromite, degoogled chrome, cromium itself, possibly vivaldi, apps that use webview (doordash, voyager for lemmy, bank apps, etc) might even be included as they are chrome/chromium on android, would all tally for chrome with no differentiation even though some versions are light years apart.
Cromite/vanadium and chrome are the same browssrs the way chocolate and vanilla are the same ice cream.
Oh, and to muddle things some more, on Android, viewing using desktop site gives this:
Browser Name: Chrome
Browser Version: 148.0
OS: Linux 0
Is it a desktop device: Yes - Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish6 days
If that happens, Google becomes a monopoly, if it isn’t already. They don’t want this (or at least they haven’t, but they might think it won’t matter now). If they continue wanting Firefox to be relevant to help their argument that they aren’t a monopoly, they’ll do what they can to ensure Firefox continues to work.
- pinball_wizard@lemmy.zipEnglish6 days
Or Google thinks all the other illegal crap they routinely get away with is a leading sign that they will also get away with becoming a monopoly…
Eh, Brave is good enough after you disable all the bloatware. The search engine is also good. It is my second browser after WebLibre (Gecko browser built from scratch)
- elucubra@sopuli.xyzEnglish5 days
Brave is bullshit Malware.
Use Vivaldi.
Made by the people who made the original Opera.
Hyper customizable, ad, tracking, and pop-up blocker by default.
I’ve been a Firefox user since the days of mosaic. I used the original Opera for years, coming back to FF when Opera was bought by the Chinese. While I still have FF as my main browser, I’m now finding myself using Vivaldi about 50% of the time. Damn good.
I disagree, because they’ll eventually cave in and deprecate manifest v2, then you’ll have to do without adblockers on vivaldi too
- elucubra@sopuli.xyzEnglish4 days
manifest only applies to extensions. Vivaldi’s adblocker is built in.
- elucubra@sopuli.xyzEnglish3 days
That is always a possibility, but their track record is solid for now
- phutatorius@lemmy.zipEnglish5 days
It’ll mark the end of Chrome for anyone who gives a shit about their privacy.
- 5 days
It’ll mark the end of chrome for anyone that wants to use a website without 2/3 of it being filled with ads and slowing tons crawl because of all the invasive scripts
- teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish5 days
Who still trusts fucking google chrome? Fuck them. Firefox bitch.
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
It already has.
This is misleading.
UBlock has been deprecated on Chrome, for a long time. UBlock Lite is its replacement and will continue to function (albeit with more limited efficacy).
What they are talking about is a complicated series of command line flags to re-enable Manifest V2+installing UBlock from source… But who in their right mind would still be using vanilla Google Chrome and jumping through all those hoops?
It will be an issue for forks like Helium or Ungoogled Chromium. They’ll just have to patch in a native blocker, I suppose.
TL;DR: Headline is wrong.
Chrome users will notice nothing. The end happened a long time ago.
- 6 days
The fact there’s extentions on FF & it’s forks for mobile makes me sooo blown away anyone ever choses anything else!
- MoonManKipper@lemmy.worldEnglish6 days
Agree - I just don’t understand why you’d use anything else on a PC.
- 6 days
100% It’s just somehow way more blatant for me with mobile as it’s BEEN like this… which propbably helped make Google more confident in doing the same thing with PCs 🤯
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish6 days
mobile has forks and adblockers. you can even use brave if you want. ironfox is one firefox, but i stopped using it, because it does something wierd with different websites, and and on reddit where i browse sparingly.
There are mobile clients of Firefox and related forks, FYI, not just on PC. Firefox and Fennec are probably the most popular on Android.
The forks of Firefox are just as good or better, and largely lack the AI bullshit.
Firefox is my go-to browser, but don’t trust Mozilla and be ready to switch to an alternative just in case Firefox gets enshittified too much.
- 6 days
“But my cousin told me the fox fire is used by hackers or something, and the Google one said it was faster.”
okay sit down this one is going to take a lot of brain. if a lot of hackers use it, the people who are good at computers, right? why would you not use the one that hackers use?
I shit you not, I used to work for a company (with no IT dept btw) that refused to use Firefox because they said it was “a trojan virus.”
What I think happened is one of their dipshit employees downloaded something they shouldn’t have and got a virus and the bosses blamed the browser.
- 6 days
well except in the worst OS ever, iOS, where you can only use the worst web standards compliant webengine for vague security reasons, you know, to keep you safe from yourself
And safari on all platforms (all 2) supports ad blocking. Not my first choice on Mac (or even my 3rd really) but it’s basically my only choice on iOS
- T156@lemmy.worldEnglish5 days
I don’t know if it would, necessarily. So many alternatives are chrome-based, and part of the reason google was able to accrue that share to begin with was by putting a “get chrome now” in the corner of every search you did.
Most alternatives don’t have that same kind of advertising reach to displace chrome, especially not for casual users.
- lightnsfw@reddthat.comEnglish5 days
I doubt there’s many people who care about using add block who don’t at least know what Firefox is.
- Clutter@sh.itjust.worksEnglish5 days
Sigh… I’m afraid you are correct… It’s why we can’t have a sane and wonderfull world.
