- AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish1 day
At this point, anyone that relies on a Google service is just asking for trouble.
Yes they will kill off the thing you have grown reliant on, and so you’re better off to avoid anything with google
- JigglySackles@lemmy.worldEnglish23 hours
That’s kinda been Google’s standard operating procedure from the start. Anything they get bored with, they bin. I have refused to adopt any of their tech for a long time because I watched them shutter good products all the time. They are too stochastic and too unreliable to trust with any important data.
1 dayLove seeing how it seems like these tech giants are starting to try to fuck each other up. This will be fun.
Whatever replaces Tenor needs to allow for more specificity in searching. If I search “lemur” and I see 3 orangutans, a chimp and a 12 gibbons, and maybe 1 actual lemur, I’m still happy to have simians, but I really needed a lemur, man. I was quite fucking specific in my search term. Had I written “monkey” but it showed me a series of apes, I wouldn’t mind that so much.
Also, “cat on skateboard” has fuck all to do with a poorly staged video of a dog playing Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater with a set of gaming bongos. Again, glad to see it, but where’s my skateboarding cat??
- Snapz@lemmy.worldEnglish12 hours
Google’s search products are designed to NOT serve your desired search result. It will serve the most profitable result, FOR THEM, that is at least tangentially related to your search… Maybe. You’ll likely click on one or you’ll try a second search and engage with them more. Google profits, you lose.
Google is a restaurant, the only restaurant that most know of. They have a surplus of hot dogs, but they used to serve hamburgers. You have a reasonable expectation that they’ll have hamburgers. You order a hamburger and you get an hot dog with cotton candy on it. No refunds. You can try to order another hamburger, but the next could be a hamburger or a balloon filled with toilet water. Most will just eat the hot dog unfortunately. Reinforcement, they will continue.
- Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
If google got rid of it you can bet there is sone slop shit coming to replace it
- Meron35@lemmy.worldEnglish23 hours
Instead of searching for existing gifs, Google will now pipe your search terms to Gemini so it will generate a gif for you.
- blackbirdbiryani@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
That is a good point, they’ve crammed ai slop into everything yet they can’t even fix something basic as image search.
- poopkins@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
We all love to rag on Google, but this is such a nonsense website. Most of the things “killed” there are superseded by another product, like AI studio replacing Firebase Studio and Google TV replacing Chromecast. Then there’s stuff nobody’s ever heard of just to pad the list.
- Fit_Series_573@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
RIP Google Play Music. Have yet to find another streaming service who’s algorithm knew me so well to discover new music
there were two things i loved. one i think was called turntable, which let you and friends take turns DJing. you’d queue up a song and then after your 2 or 3 or idk i usually used it with the same group friends got their plays in, you got yours. i don’t know what happened to it as we stopped using it.
then was thesixtyone, which had great artist discovery. but they were not the best about getting licenses and lost their eventual IP lawsuit. after that they kind of turned into spotify. i’ve just been using my private collection since then.
- [object Object]@lemmy.caEnglish2 days
I am very confused
I guess it’s a stupid saying… why is it more stupid than I thought?
Al I’m saying is it makes no sense for Google to dump Google Music. It’s in their wheelhouse, it’s a natural fit for their infrastructure, it could have worked with YouTube.
- Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.worksEnglish12 hours
YouTube music is just GPM continued without the ability to upload your own library.
Interface obviously is different but they’ve done good refining it over the years where there’s nothing I really feel like I’m missing compared to GPM.
Also all the music I uploaded back ~13 years ago (damn) is still accessible in YTM
- Uranium 🟩@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 days
Ahhh, that makes sense!
Your initial comment sounded like you were saying missing Google Music didn’t make one lick of sense
Not that google deciding to shut down google music didn’t make any sense
- Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 days
I’m in the camp of “relying on an algorithm to serve you music it wants promote is an awful thing” but people have been trained that reliance on algorithms telling them what to consume is the only option.
- village604@adultswim.fanEnglish2 days
It can be a bad thing if you rely solely on it.
But it’s really not any different than finding new music on the radio.
- Venator@lemmy.nzEnglish1 day
Is not that: it’s that there’s so much new music that it just makes sense to use an algorithm to speed up the process of finding music you like…
Without it most people just listen to the same thing they already know, or rely on a dj on the radio to pick music for them…
i mean, it’s not that different from listening to the radio. they have the stack of stuff that the station has been paid to play, and then the stuff the DJ wants to play, and you have to get through one before you can get to the other.
- lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish1 day
I’ve heard a conspiracy theory that says that the apps and services that Google dumps were experiments in data gathering and correlation. So basically they make a music platform like GPM, they use it to get a great music prediction algorithm, then kill the platform because what they wanted was the algorithm. They have money to burn so they don’t care about one more tiny revenue stream or about making a great music platform.
- 9point6@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
I mean, you’re kinda describing what they actually did
Google music was less killed, more rebranded as YouTube Music (but they did launch new app UIs at the same time that were missing various features from the old ones,). I’ve still got the same library of music I uploaded in Google Music that doesn’t exist in their standard library, and you can still upload today.
Being able to have my hundreds of playlists from over the years complete with all the obscure remixes and unreleased bootlegs on them, is pretty much the only reason I still use it over something like Spotify
- Zarobi@aussie.zoneEnglish2 days
I don’t trust Google not to nuke my playlist randomly for copyright… Especially my precious bootleg remixes that have been purged from the internet. I use EverMusic with Dropbox for that reason.
- huppakee@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Still mourning Google Reader, luckily we can find consolation i in that all those apps and services weren’t strategically killed by an evil corporation.
powered by grok, so you’re running a risk every time you use it
- CADmonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
running a risk
Your comment made me think of something I had not considered.
Somewhere in this AI image generation infrastructure, there must be some poor asshole who has to look at whatever is made to say its OK or not. Which has to be at least as traumatic as doing the same thing for facebook or any site that has censorship. Or do they use the AI to vet the AI which causes issues like you describe?
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
“AI” CSAM detection is over a decade old, and apparently very accurate.
It’s oldschool machine learning. Image hosts had no choice but to develop them.
And legal authorities gave them access to datasets to make the detection models.
I think Lemmy uses it. And it’s indeed implemented on “modern” AI sites like CivitAI, and very effective. If it’s ineffective somewhere (like Grok?) that means the owners are total idiots and should be sued.
- ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish18 hours
I’m a somewhat old timer on the internet, I know free speech absolutists like Musk way too well. Free speech absolutism often includes “legalizing all recordings of crimes”, and not understanding why non-consensual porn is bad, thus a lot of them support real CSAM. They are also the reason why free speech nowadays has a bad name, as it mainly was for privileged people and their supporters, and often included “negative freedoms”, because criticism might force someone to self-censor, but of course not for them.
honestly the best use of AI image recognition is to recognize illegal content. that spares humans the trauma. but you have to have a database of illegal content to train it on, so it’s a catch-22. also AI (LLMs in particular, so it’d need to be some other kind of ML program) is notorious for being wrong a lot. which means it still needs more human supervision than an AI that does its function properly.
- CADmonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Yeah that last line is what I was picturing. Ive messed around a little with AI chatbots and the amount of things that I know from my professional life that it got wrong was pretty astounding.
- Pappabosley@lemmy.worldEnglish23 hours
Which is why people mostly think “AI” will take over other jobs, but not theirs, cause it can’t even answer basic questions right on their field 🤔
- CADmonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish15 hours
Wow. I never thought about it like that.
So it really really doesn’t work.
which is why they just want you asking general shit. they know if you ask specifics that you already know the answer to, it will answer wrong a hell of a lot of the time. if you’re an expert in the field, you know that it’s wrong. if you’re not, you just shrug and accept it.
which is why i get such a good chuckle out of vibe coders. that’s their field. they should be able to recognize that the work the LLM puts out is shit.
i really don’t want anyone to be an expert in recognizing CSAM though. ideal worlds and shit.
- CADmonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
But thats just silly. AI is being touted as an intelligence machine.
I guess it’s a stupid person’s idea of “smart”, it only knows general things, sometimes.
Tenor was quick, great, and optimal solution. I liked it.
Google (Tenor) notified API Users around five months before June 30, 2026, the access restriction date:
- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46628926Klipy is being offered as a direct alternative:
- https://klipy.com/migrateDiscord also migrated to Klipy about a month ago. Yesterday, I saw positive feedback in communities about Klipy’s more accurate search.
Worth noting that while Klipy is headed up by ex Tenor employees, Google has also heavily invested in Klipy.
At my community (The Gamers’ Tavern) we ditched Discord (when all the age verification crap started) in favour of Discourse and Fluxer (Discord clone, but open source and self hostable) and currently Klipy integration is offering a sketchy and vague pricing model that is looking like it is going to include ads.
So, that’s the vein that runs through all of this. Google killed Tenor, funded a new startup that’ll eventually likely be somewhere they can of course shove ads into.
Thanks for the (more insider than i’ve got) information! I don’t know anyone at tenor or klipy. shit, i didn’t even know klipy existed.
Thank you very much for more insightful information! Google has always been a changer, not a talker, and appreciate them!
Yet, may I ask why did you choose Fluxer over Stoat, and if the source of Google investing in it available?Source: Klipy themselves.
Why Fluxer over Stoat, there is a lot to unpack here, but self hosting was much more mature and well thought out with Fluxer. Docker support was way beyond Stoat, and development is proceeding at a much better rate with mobile apps, integrations etc. We probably answer a lot of the questions here: https://blog.gamerstavern.online/innkeeper/about-community-and-communities
Roger that. Thank you very much for the response and references!
I wish you safety, stability, and peace!
- pulsewidth@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Tenor was always slow for me and had shit search.
I didn’t know it was owned by Google, but now that I do it makes complete sense.
May I ask what sense the “bad search” does in the scope of one of the most common and known advertisement business backed by their fundamentally crucial systems for search, statistics, and analytics?
- pulsewidth@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
I read your questions three times but I still can’t tell what you’re asking.
- GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
The real problem was probably that Tenor was free, and Google didn’t see a way it could make money from a GIF API.
The author can’t figure out how a company can monetise an API? Monetisation clearly isn’t the problem here. It’s possible that they’re going to launch a new product incorporating this, or more likely incorporate it into Gemini.
I covered this in this comment here: https://lemmy.world/comment/24536634
Google basically shuttered Tenor and heavily funded the replacement, which is showing sketchy early signs of ads.
- psycotica0@lemmy.caEnglish2 days
On March 27, 2018, Tenor was acquired by Google. The company has continued to operate as a standalone brand.
Huh, well if you couldn’t see a way to make money with it, maybe you shouldn’t have bought it…
- adarza@lemmy.caEnglish2 days
i’m sure that the site’s acquisition was always about user tracking data and never about it being ‘profitable’ itself.
- 2 days
Heads up that there is a self-hosted gif platform I’ve been tinkering on, original repo is here but it was more or less abandonded. I’ve been adding to it slowly here: Gifable.
The base repo was good, a selfhosted Gif hosting, but I needed more integrations so I’ve been managing my own fork for about a year. The largest one is a way that Matrix servers can integrate, so it now actually stands up a matrix server and can federate your gifs with other matrix users. The second item is adding Giphy support (I had Tenor as well… but guess I’ll remove that), so you can alternatively search Giphy.
I won’t say it’s polished, but if Tenor is leaving a sour note in your mouth, having someone else hosting would probably be neat.
Screenshot:
- cecilkorik@lemmy.caEnglish2 days
Pfft, “not polished”. Looks way more polished than manually dumping shit into a folder on my http server. Thanks!
Github sucks though, unreliable and headed to bad places. Considered mirroring or rehosting it somewhere with forgejo? Self-hostable, or there are some public options
- 2 days
Thanks! Design was mostly the original creators though.
It is mirrored on my private Forgejo instance, github was the original choice if the first eng, I will think about migrating
- amgine@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
This looks interesting. I want to host my own discord alternative but gifs were what I missed most.
- 2 days
Happy cake day! Yes San boat. Element was the closest thing I found to discord, but gifs were annoying. Getting this added to apps is the hardest thing, but it’s mostly that how to I say “add this integration please” when it’s only my one server
- softotteep@pawb.socialEnglish2 days
You should try Sable! It’s way closer to discord than element is.
Also Commet has been pretty good - has an app on android and Linux. Sable is better, but is only webapp.
Discord needs to offer a setting that you can pick which gif hosting website you want to search. GIPHY results are fucking ass cheeks.
I’m literally just keeping a browser open with tenor and manually copying the gifs over to discord.
I wish it would at least let me switch from GIPHY search to anything else.
