• A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13 hours

    No, this is just playstation continuing to hate their customer base.

    They’ve always hated their customers. Between Sony, and Nintendo, I dont know who hates their customers the most… but they both certainly try.

    and it doesnt matter, because they both have enough fanboys that strip off their clothes and gleefully dance naked and joyous in the rain of shit both companies sputter out of their assholes and down onto their customers.

  • MasterOfProton@lemmy.zipEnglish
    14 hours

    Bad notice…. I like phisical disc, not is good for ever this system, and one question: you pay the game, but not is you own, not?

    • bitjunkie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 hours

      Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

  • grinning_serpent@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 day

    Not really end of an era, you’re just witnessing a monopoly forming since Xbox is pretty much dead in the water. I guess it’s technically a duopoly since Nintendo is fine, but Nintendo kinda does its own thing without regard to what others do. Basically, with Xbox out of the picture, Sony is free to do whatever it wants.

    • Tenderizer@aussie.zoneEnglish
      21 hours

      That’s where Valve comes in. They’re the threat Playstation is most worried about right now.

      • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12 hours

        People on Lemmy and other gaming communities are vocal and interact, but it may still be true that the silent majority of the game-playing population still prefers the dumb quick-setup box to play their 8 editions of Madden.

        I’d like it if Valve or any more responsible company could jump in, but barely anyone has the chip contracts to manufacture for it (certainly not including Valve given they can’t meet demand)

  • meltycat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 day

    If buying does not equal owning something, piracy can’t equal theft. At this rate, what’s the point of consoles?

    • MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 day

      You do own it, you own the digital copy. The developer can’t hack your computer and remove it or prevent you from playing it.

      • Pinto, the Bean@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21 hours

        They just remove the right to access it. You don’t own it, you own a licence to play it. You don’t own anything digitally you yourself cannot access and transfer.

        You don’t own the content on Netflix. Or Amazon. Or any digital marketplace, besides DRM-free places.

        They don’t hack your computer, they just turn off the servers and ban accounts.

        • MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11 hours

          They just remove the right to access it.

          They can’t do that, it’s impossible. You are not logging into their server to play the game. You are downloading and installing it on your local machine.

          This is NOT like Netflix. How can people be so ignorant about this? Do you not really know how this works? For Netflix, you stream from their servers. That IS NOT what is happening here.

      • jerakor@startrek.websiteEnglish
        1 day

        This is why all video is streaming now and downloads require regular token checkin. Very few services provide real independent and long term functioning local downloads of media.

          • jerakor@startrek.websiteEnglish
            11 hours

            The digital store downloads came via an encrypted file format. That format depends on specific software from the ps5 to open. If you switch to a PS6 or get an update to the OS pushed to your PS5 it is entirely possible those files will no longer open.

            It isn’t like they sold you a mp4 or mkv files.

      • Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish
        1 day

        The developer can actually remove it remotely. Sony itself is currently doing it: they’re removing all movies bought by users.

        • MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11 hours

          Do you have those movies saved on your local machine? Or are you accessing them on a remote server?

          People here are supposed to tech literate, goddamn. I’m barely tech literate and I understand the difference between downloading and installing a program on your local machine and accessing streaming video on remote servers.

          Sony cannot remove programs from your local machine.

          • forestbeasts@pawb.socialEnglish
            8 hours

            …Have you not heard of DRM?

            Because DRM is a thing too. They can make it so you can’t open that program on your local machine.

          • Bronzie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            11 hours

            Let me paint a picture for you, friend: you have a power outage while playing games. Your drive is corrupted (yes, this happened to me).
            Sony has removed the game from their servers, and you just lost your only copy, as you have no way to back it up.
            It is now gone forever, just like the movies they removed after selling.

            You seem irritated that people push back at you, but they have valid points. Without a physical copy, you are no longer in control of the game/movie.

            You also lose the ability to buy and sell used, which is a right you have with physical disks, but not with a digital license.

            It’s ok to not care for physical media, but at least try to understand the point we’re trying to make. We want us all to have access to both digital and physical to choose freely. Why fight that when it’s a win/win for all of us?

  • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1 day

    I don’t understand why anyone would choose to buy a console after this. The only draws of consoles was the turnkey hardware, which you can generally get with Proton now, and access to physical games, which won’t be a thing soon. Now it’s just a locked-down PC with a DRM storefront that makes you pay a subscription to pay online games and which may or may not have backwards compatibility from system to system.

    Maybe that’s just the PC gamer in me talking. Are there any advantages to console anymore? Like, a single benefit?

    • kevinsky@feddit.nlEnglish
      1 day

      I don’t understand why anyone would choose to buy a console after this.

      I don’t think people buy consoles for the physical games… I mostly stopped doing that a generation ago.

      In terms of hardware I have basicly everything under the sun you play games on.

      Sony has has a pretty strong list of exclusives still. In my mind at least. And I just don’t always feel like sitting at a desk.

      So unless you build another pc for next to the TV, your other options are a mile long HDMI cable from wherever your pc is to your TV or remote play. Neither of these options are as smooth of an experience as just grabbing a controller and turning the Playstation on. You could somewhat do this on PC with Steam OS or Bazzite, but Linux/Proton is still problematic for a lot of multiplayer games.

      • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1 day

        Are all good points. The exclusive thing is unfortunate because Sony used to port most of its exclusives to PC for a few years there. It makes me wonder if they only stopped in anticipation of discontinuing disc sales.

  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1 day

    Can anyone come up with a single example of an industry that’s not getting simultaneously worse (and/or smaller), and more expensive?

    • SuperSpruce@lemmy.zipEnglish
      7 hours

      E-scooters. They’ve been pretty rapidly getting both cheaper and more capable (longer range, higher speeds). Sadly, most of the innovation seems to come from Chinese companies.

    • Stefen Auris@pawb.socialEnglish
      1 day

      Actually open source software just keeps getting better and better. I’m amazed at how much stuff I can run on my own computers for free!

      However with AI flooding open source projects with security vulnerabilities and things, this is subject to change (but hopefully not)

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        14 hours

        I guess I don’t consider OSS to be an “industry” in the same way other, mainly capitalist, endeavors are. It’s more akin to a co-op

      • Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1 day

        I feel like I got into self hosting at the exact correct time. Immich is amazing, Filebrowser Quantum is incredible, Ghost (Patreon alternative) has been awesome, and there’s so much more. It’s so good.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1 day

        I dunno if my tastes just evolved, but I swear Arizona isn’t as good as it used to be

      • Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1 day

        Costco in general, actually. When was the last time they increased the membership cost?

    • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 day

      I’d say this could apply to a lot of new cars too. But yeah, it feels pretty unusual to see an industry shit the bed like this.

  • Rose@slrpnk.netEnglish
    1 day

    I’m an Xbox fangirl (a resentingly disappointed one, of course), and the recent industry shenanigans made me get apprehensive about whatever is going to come out next from Microsoft’s direction. They could turn the direction around. Not sure if they can.

    I liked Nintendo Switch, but Switch 2 was pretty much “yeah, I’ll probably get a Steam Deck at some point, sorry”.

    This PlayStation stuff basically switched my opinion of them from “Nnno” to “Oh hell no”.

    I will be back to PC gaming! And will be building a new PC once the industry quits being stupid for a moment. Until then, my 2020 laptop will have to do.

  • shirro@aussie.zoneEnglish
    2 days

    End of an era for just about everything. Streaming is all enshitified. The job market is shit. Democracy is falling apart. Decades of progress being undone. It’s just the way it will be until people get sick of all this shit and start doing things differently and move on. All the great old companies are dead. Either turned to zombie brands or run by zombies. I remember how excited I was to buy my first Sony Trinitron, my first walkman, my Sony component stereo, first PlayStation.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1 day

      At some point Sony bought a Movie Studio in the US and a few years afterwards the company leadership started coming from their Media division instead of their Engineering division.

      This was in the early 00s.

      That was when Sony started enshittifying, with things like locking down their consumer devices (not just to block copying but also to do things like segment markets via region locking) and at one point they even shipped Music CDs with a PC Rootkit (the infamous “Sony Rootkit” scandal).

      IMHO, Sony was maybe one of the first large companies to start enshittifying.

      I’ve actually been boycotting Sony since then, so roughly for 2 decades now.

      • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
        2 days

        Capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction. Enshittification is the inevitable result of shareholders demanding endless growth at all costs.

        • Eheran@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2 days

          I could just as well point to dumb people giving them their money as the reason. At the end it is more complicated than such a simplistic reductions.

            • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
              1 day

              You don’t even have to get high-mindedly preachy, it’s a bad take on its own terms, since it hinges on the notion that the population at large are all “dumb” and therefore deserve bad things.

            • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1 day

              Growth in this context isn’t measured by physical objects; it’s an increase in subjective value. So we’ve experienced high growth since the stone age, even though we’ve gotten almost no new stones.

            • CriticalThought@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2 days

              While I agree in practice (and the resultant harm is real), in theory mathematical limits exist. (And this is without appealing to the idea that humans might eventually not be limited to a single planet.)

  • Phantaloons@piefed.zipEnglish
    1 day

    They’re betting on consumers being too impulsive and stupid to care, and… they’re probably right. Nothing’s stopped them before, this likely isn’t a new line in the sand for them.

    • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1 day

      It works until it doesn’t. Companies can push prices for a little while, maybe a whole generation, but one day people decide it’s not worth it and it all crashes down suddenly.

      Happens over and over again, could be the new era of PC gaming that Valve is pushing will tip them over, could be a new generation of Nintendo games. Could be a new company from China.

      Big players do this every time, then the CEO says “nobody could have predicted that the 6th price hike was the end of the brand!”

      • bridgeburner@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1 day

        Nah, people are stupid generally speaking. I mean, just look at Apple, they are releasing basically the same phone every year with an increasing price tag and the sheeple keep mindlessly buying it.

        • stylusmobilus@aussie.zoneEnglish
          1 day

          That’s not a good example from my experience

          Both the Apple devices I use are over five years old and I’m only just now thinking of replacing the iPad

        • detren@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1 day

          Really bad example in 2026. Apple users are probably the least likely to to upgrade every year

        • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          1 day

          Except history disproves this over and over.

          People get stuck in what they know, but eventually they break out of it, and usually it’s a small thing that takes them over the tipping point.

          Thinking that everyone on the planet is dumb except yourself just proves you’re not looking into the facts.