End of an era?
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2 daysNo, this is just playstation continuing to hate their customer base.
They’ve always hated their customers. Between Sony, and Nintendo, I dont know who hates their customers the most… but they both certainly try.
and it doesnt matter, because they both have enough fanboys that strip off their clothes and gleefully dance naked and joyous in the rain of shit both companies sputter out of their assholes and down onto their customers.
- 3 days
If buying does not equal owning something, piracy can’t equal theft. At this rate, what’s the point of consoles?
- MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
You do own it, you own the digital copy. The developer can’t hack your computer and remove it or prevent you from playing it.
They just remove the right to access it. You don’t own it, you own a licence to play it. You don’t own anything digitally you yourself cannot access and transfer.
You don’t own the content on Netflix. Or Amazon. Or any digital marketplace, besides DRM-free places.
They don’t hack your computer, they just turn off the servers and ban accounts.
- MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
They just remove the right to access it.
They can’t do that, it’s impossible. You are not logging into their server to play the game. You are downloading and installing it on your local machine.
This is NOT like Netflix. How can people be so ignorant about this? Do you not really know how this works? For Netflix, you stream from their servers. That IS NOT what is happening here.
- jerakor@startrek.websiteEnglish3 days
This is why all video is streaming now and downloads require regular token checkin. Very few services provide real independent and long term functioning local downloads of media.
- MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
THIS ISN’T VIDEO STREAMING.
For fuck’s sake, what is going on with you people?
- jerakor@startrek.websiteEnglish2 days
The digital store downloads came via an encrypted file format. That format depends on specific software from the ps5 to open. If you switch to a PS6 or get an update to the OS pushed to your PS5 it is entirely possible those files will no longer open.
It isn’t like they sold you a mp4 or mkv files.
- Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish3 days
The developer can actually remove it remotely. Sony itself is currently doing it: they’re removing all movies bought by users.
- MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Do you have those movies saved on your local machine? Or are you accessing them on a remote server?
People here are supposed to tech literate, goddamn. I’m barely tech literate and I understand the difference between downloading and installing a program on your local machine and accessing streaming video on remote servers.
Sony cannot remove programs from your local machine.
- Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish1 day
Sony is actually removing them from people’s machines, remotely. Look up DRM on Wikipedia.
…Have you not heard of DRM?
Because DRM is a thing too. They can make it so you can’t open that program on your local machine.
- Bronzie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 days
Let me paint a picture for you, friend: you have a power outage while playing games. Your drive is corrupted (yes, this happened to me).
Sony has removed the game from their servers, and you just lost your only copy, as you have no way to back it up.
It is now gone forever, just like the movies they removed after selling.You seem irritated that people push back at you, but they have valid points. Without a physical copy, you are no longer in control of the game/movie.
You also lose the ability to buy and sell used, which is a right you have with physical disks, but not with a digital license.
It’s ok to not care for physical media, but at least try to understand the point we’re trying to make. We want us all to have access to both digital and physical to choose freely. Why fight that when it’s a win/win for all of us?
- kat_angstrom@lemmy.worldEnglish4 days
It’s like corporations don’t know how to do anything but enshittify anymore
- 4 days
It’s the ultimate push to turn everything into the perfect Capitalist (not market-oriented) business solution: Getting paid for nothing
If your goal is to accumulate capital, and there are not outside forces regulating your worst impulses, you ultimately will create a class of legal-protected thieves, since the absolutely best and most risk free way to accumulate capital is to be given it in exchange for quite literally nothing.
Gambling is about as close to the platonic ideal as you can, but conquest by military force of political capture is also a very, viable route. Use the law to force people to buy your nothing and be protected for it, rather than being lynched when you steal someone’s products.
- iocase@lemmy.zipEnglish4 days
Mandated insurance that isn’t a crown corporation beholden to ratepayers is a perfect example. If you have mandated insurance for something, and that private insurance has a shareholder requirement to see growth every quarter, and the same amount of things are being insured, only one thing can happen:
Rates go up with denials
Payouts go down
Eventually you’re paying for insurance you know is worthless but it’s mandated by law.
- 3 days
Not really, a lot of insurers make the majority of their money from their investing.
- 4 days
I agree with you, but then isn’t it strange that AI does a whole lot of something instead of nothing? Like, the high amount of effort they put into making AI a big thing runs counter to the laziness of getting paid to do nothing.
Though I guess they ARE getting paid doing nothing, with how many data centers are getting cancelled.
Not when you realize that the “something” they’re charging you for is:
a) bastardized cargo culted knockoff of “something” so insubstantial that it’s very nearly “something-shaped nothing”
b) the “something” is made of stuff that isn’t even theirs.Not only is it giving you a bamboo and thatch sculpture of an airplane when you ask for an airplane; it’s made of STOLEN bamboo and STOLEN thatch.
- Tim_Bisley@piefed.socialEnglish4 days
Yep let’s take entirety of user submitted content to the internet over 30+ years and repackage it and sell it back to you as if it was our product.
- 4 days
I hope you don’t misunderstand me by my saying “something” to imply it’s anything substantial, significant, or even good. I’m very anti-AI in all aspects of our lives, just so you know where I’m coming from.
Yes, the theft of intellectual property and art to train AI models is in keeping with their laziness, and yes, the models don’t improve our lives in any way. But they can’t exactly steal the electricity needed to power data centers, nor can they steal the silicon required to manufacture all the CPU’s, GPU’s, SSD’s, and RAM they require. All those things are enormous capex and opex, and that’s what I mean by “something.”
That’s a lot of work they’re doing to push AI, and the only plan I can think of to recoup those costs is to expect taxpayers to foot the bill: they want municipalities to pay for the increase in electricity costs, cover the pollution and devastation their DC’s generate, all without creating jobs and opportunities in the region (because why would they pay labor a fair share, yuck). And the finale, when all those investments fail to generate any profit they want a government bailout to keep from going belly up.
I just don’t think any of that is worth the effort you know what I mean?
- MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
the theft of intellectual property and art to train AI models
Any proof that that actually happened?
- Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.worksEnglish4 days
But it does provide nothing. Whatever AI gives is a hallucination, that’s practically nothing since it’s not information you can rely on and you have to verify it anyway.
Think about it this way, if you get connected to an AI chatbot instead of a real person, does it feel like the company is giving you their time? Or does it feel like they are giving you nothing?
- MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Think about it this way, if you get connected to an AI chatbot instead of a real person, does it feel like the company is giving you their time? Or does it feel like they are giving you nothing?
Compared to insufferable automated phone systems, which have existed for decades and employ exactly no one, they are a vast improvement.
any company born after 1993 can’t make good products… all they know is exploitation, fire their workers, enshittify, be pink capitalist, eat hot cash & lie
(yes i know sony was founded before 1993 thank you)
- 4 days
So was Enron? I’m not sure why you chose 1993, companies have been shitty across all of time and space.
- iocase@lemmy.zipEnglish4 days
“Eat hot chip & lie” was my favorite saying for a long time after that tweet went viral
Ever since fucking Trump came to power, he basically defanged the agencies that were supposed to curb corporate abuses and enforce laws and regulations, and allowed corporations to do a lot more anything they want to make more profit.
- fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.comEnglish3 days
Yeah but until their bullshit hits their bottom line they won’t change, and most people are on autopilot through life and either don’t notice or don’t care.
- shirro@aussie.zoneEnglish3 days
End of an era for just about everything. Streaming is all enshitified. The job market is shit. Democracy is falling apart. Decades of progress being undone. It’s just the way it will be until people get sick of all this shit and start doing things differently and move on. All the great old companies are dead. Either turned to zombie brands or run by zombies. I remember how excited I was to buy my first Sony Trinitron, my first walkman, my Sony component stereo, first PlayStation.
- Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish3 days
At some point Sony bought a Movie Studio in the US and a few years afterwards the company leadership started coming from their Media division instead of their Engineering division.
This was in the early 00s.
That was when Sony started enshittifying, with things like locking down their consumer devices (not just to block copying but also to do things like segment markets via region locking) and at one point they even shipped Music CDs with a PC Rootkit (the infamous “Sony Rootkit” scandal).
IMHO, Sony was maybe one of the first large companies to start enshittifying.
I’ve actually been boycotting Sony since then, so roughly for 2 decades now.
It’s awesome to meet another in the wild! I too have been boycotting Sony since they added malware to their products.
- skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish3 days
Capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction. Enshittification is the inevitable result of shareholders demanding endless growth at all costs.
- Eheran@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
I could just as well point to dumb people giving them their money as the reason. At the end it is more complicated than such a simplistic reductions.
- skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish3 days
You don’t even have to get high-mindedly preachy, it’s a bad take on its own terms, since it hinges on the notion that the population at large are all “dumb” and therefore deserve bad things.
- Nonconfrontational@lemmy.mlEnglish3 days
Not really, no.
Infinite growth is impossible on a finite planet.
Growth in this context isn’t measured by physical objects; it’s an increase in subjective value. So we’ve experienced high growth since the stone age, even though we’ve gotten almost no new stones.
- CriticalThought@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
While I agree in practice (and the resultant harm is real), in theory mathematical limits exist. (And this is without appealing to the idea that humans might eventually not be limited to a single planet.)
- 3 days
I don’t understand why anyone would choose to buy a console after this. The only draws of consoles was the turnkey hardware, which you can generally get with Proton now, and access to physical games, which won’t be a thing soon. Now it’s just a locked-down PC with a DRM storefront that makes you pay a subscription to pay online games and which may or may not have backwards compatibility from system to system.
Maybe that’s just the PC gamer in me talking. Are there any advantages to console anymore? Like, a single benefit?
- kevinsky@feddit.nlEnglish3 days
I don’t understand why anyone would choose to buy a console after this.
I don’t think people buy consoles for the physical games… I mostly stopped doing that a generation ago.
In terms of hardware I have basicly everything under the sun you play games on.
Sony has has a pretty strong list of exclusives still. In my mind at least. And I just don’t always feel like sitting at a desk.
So unless you build another pc for next to the TV, your other options are a mile long HDMI cable from wherever your pc is to your TV or remote play. Neither of these options are as smooth of an experience as just grabbing a controller and turning the Playstation on. You could somewhat do this on PC with Steam OS or Bazzite, but Linux/Proton is still problematic for a lot of multiplayer games.
- 3 days
Are all good points. The exclusive thing is unfortunate because Sony used to port most of its exclusives to PC for a few years there. It makes me wonder if they only stopped in anticipation of discontinuing disc sales.
- MasterOfProton@lemmy.zipEnglish2 days
Bad notice…. I like phisical disc, not is good for ever this system, and one question: you pay the game, but not is you own, not?
- bitjunkie@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
- grinning_serpent@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Not really end of an era, you’re just witnessing a monopoly forming since Xbox is pretty much dead in the water. I guess it’s technically a duopoly since Nintendo is fine, but Nintendo kinda does its own thing without regard to what others do. Basically, with Xbox out of the picture, Sony is free to do whatever it wants.
- grinning_serpent@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Just in time for the Code Veronica remake. Maybe it’ll be a launch title.
- Tenderizer@aussie.zoneEnglish2 days
That’s where Valve comes in. They’re the threat Playstation is most worried about right now.
- Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
People on Lemmy and other gaming communities are vocal and interact, but it may still be true that the silent majority of the game-playing population still prefers the dumb quick-setup box to play their 8 editions of Madden.
I’d like it if Valve or any more responsible company could jump in, but barely anyone has the chip contracts to manufacture for it (certainly not including Valve given they can’t meet demand)
- prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish3 days
Can anyone come up with a single example of an industry that’s not getting simultaneously worse (and/or smaller), and more expensive?
Actually open source software just keeps getting better and better. I’m amazed at how much stuff I can run on my own computers for free!
However with AI flooding open source projects with security vulnerabilities and things, this is subject to change (but hopefully not)
- prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish2 days
I guess I don’t consider OSS to be an “industry” in the same way other, mainly capitalist, endeavors are. It’s more akin to a co-op
- Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
I feel like I got into self hosting at the exact correct time. Immich is amazing, Filebrowser Quantum is incredible, Ghost (Patreon alternative) has been awesome, and there’s so much more. It’s so good.
- SuperSpruce@lemmy.zipEnglish2 days
E-scooters. They’ve been pretty rapidly getting both cheaper and more capable (longer range, higher speeds). Sadly, most of the innovation seems to come from Chinese companies.
- prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish3 days
I dunno if my tastes just evolved, but I swear Arizona isn’t as good as it used to be
- Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Costco in general, actually. When was the last time they increased the membership cost?
- 3 days
I’d say this could apply to a lot of new cars too. But yeah, it feels pretty unusual to see an industry shit the bed like this.
