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The lunch arrangements will vary greatly by age/grade level. A high school is more likely to have the canteen style while an elementary school is more likely to have the cafeteria style. In either case, bringing a lunch from home is also reasonably common.

I don’t think you understand what “mass murder” means.

But that’s not what it means to the public

I know that. That’s why I’m saying something.

It seems like you’re advocating mass murder.

I’m saying that the bombing, etc. of Nazi Germany was a justifiable level of force under the circumstances. I’m splitting hairs and making a big deal over the difference between “force” and “violence”. I think it’s important to know exactly where that line is so as to avoid stepping over it, so I’m not just being intransigent and clinging to a minor point here.

The guillotine symbolizes to me a clear stepping over of the line from justified force to mob violence. And I think we would be better off if everyone shared my opinion.

It looks like you ninja-edited in the second part of your comment. I was responding to the original that only had quotes of prior comments and nothing else.

was it a mistake to bomb, kill, and invade nazi Germany?

No. But it would be a mistake to start bombing political rallies today, for example.

I don’t feel like you’re putting in the same effort I am in having a sincere discussion.

revolting against the rich

But a guillotine is not a weapon of war. It’s not even something that the powerless can use against the powerful. Quite the opposite, actually.

Which makes the guillotine is a terrible symbol for a revolution. Not only is the symbolism ahistorical, but the actual history directly contradicts the supposed symbolism. The modern people who invoke the guillotine as a symbol of revolution are making the exact same mistake that the French Revolutionaries made.

So why not use a symbol from a successful example? Why use a symbol from an example we should avoid repeating at almost any cost? I think it’s because most people see the guillotine as a symbol for retribution against the ruling class.

Being stubborn about using the original meaning of things isn’t helpful, it’s ignorant of the current meaning.

OK. In this context, what does the guillotine symbolize if not the mass execution of political opponents?

If eating an apple fits the definition of violence, then it’s a poor definition.

That’s an interesting angle. I had thought the OP was talking about billionaires and oligarchs, a few thousand people tops. But you’re talking about an entire political bloc consisting of tens of millions of people.

But as a symbol it current represents the working class revolting against the rich.

Only to those who are ignorant of its history. And you know what they say about people who are ignorant of history.

The problem that I’m getting at is that it works both ways, not that it never works.

I would count killing and eating an animal as a non-violent, physically forceful act, all else being equal. I realize that puts me at odds with many vegetarians and vegans, but in the context of violence against other human beings I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

No, that would be a most uncharitable interpretation of what I’ve been saying (and rather a loaded question.)

Not all acts of violence use physical force; not all uses of physical force are acts of violence.

Because the cycle of violence always escalates and is ultimately self-defeating.

The guillotine was primarily used against innocent commoners during the French Revolution, and the last guy guillotined was the guy who had been in charge of deciding who to guillotine next. If anything, the guillotine symbolizes the fact if you normalize political violence against your opponents then you also normalize it against yourself.

In my area, you are notified by mail that you will be in the jury pool during a specific week (5 days). You’re assigned a group number and an individual juror number.

Each day of the week they’ll announce which group numbers will actually need to report to the courthouse the following morning. If your group doesn’t get called in all week then your obligation is satisfied.

If your group number is called then you have to report to the courthouse in the morning. You’ll be sent to a waiting room with all the other people called in that day. They’ll start calling individual juror numbers at random for assignment to cases. If the end of the day arrives and your number wasn’t called then your obligation is satisfied.

If you’re assigned to a case then the judge will ask if serving would be a hardship. If so, you can be excused and replaced with another juror from the waiting room. Being excused from duty does not satisfy your obligation, but it does end your jury duty for the week.

That’s as far as I’ve ever gotten.

As for ignoring the summons, that’s basically contempt of court. You can be subject to fines and jail time more or less at the discretion of the judge.