Yea the down vote bombing with no counter points is pretty telling. The regulations are what they are, and since nobody here has a logical counterpoint they all resort to downvotes or a strawman. It is what it is, I have found the average Lemmy user may be technologically inclined but certainly not mechanically. I’ve been in the auto industry for over a decade and will get downvoted or told I’m wrong by people that don’t know what end of the screw driver to hold 😂 keep sharing knowledge despite the echo chsmber down votes its in everybodies best interest!

I’m not sure why ur getting downvoted, I think most lemmings must be very uneducated on the auto industry. There are regulations that define fuel economy required for wheel base x track width. Basically, the smaller the footprint of the car the larger the mpg target so manufacturers skirt around that by making the vehicles larger. The regulations literally encourage vehicles to be larger, because adding wheel base is cheaper and easier than improving the economy of the existing engine their using in 12 other model cars. If ur interested in this sort of weird regulation stuff check out how the pt cruiser qualifies as a TRUCK. There is a reason new 3 series are bigger than old, and why shit like the smart car isn’t sold in the US anymore, given it’s wheelbase it cannot get good enough economy to meet our regulations.

I think ur definition of “off roading” and mine differ. Rav 4 cannot off road, hell the taco can barely do mild wheeling outside of a fire road LOL. IFS = I fucking suck at off road XD don’t talk about wheeling when u have 2 open diffs and independent suspension, ur going down a dirt road.

Don’t worry ur tpms ids aren’t useful for tracking. Their not like exclusive to the car and in some data base, and not as unique as u may think. Their randomly generated either 10 digit or hex ID that u program ur cars tpms module to read. U can replace the sensors and run another randomly generated id and program module to see that as it’s, or u can reprogram a sensor (or a blank) to have the existing ID. There is no real useful way to track anybody with it, the range is so shit on them and you would have had to already have scanned the sensor IDs on the car to know them, which surprise u have a licence plate and shit their already gonna have all ur info at that point. If ur getting tracked in a car, I promise you it will never be from the TPMS lol

Wikipedia is a great start point. You read the wiki, then check the references. Just like reading the news, you should never take one source at face value! Engage your ✨ CRITICAL THINKING ✨

Where I live bikes have as much if not more rights on the road than cars! For every 10mph in a car passing, u have to give them 10 feet. They have full right to use a car lane, and apperantly don’t need to stop at stop signs or lights lol. This is very rare for USA but the states culture makes it possible for bikers to get around even in rural areas! Lots of Q tips out here biking on the main routes, I see them pretty regularly. Not so many young people though!

No kidding man I used to live outside of Worcester and the high cost of living drove me out of the state. I found a job further north that payed better than what I was making in MA (same field), and has a lower cost of living to boot! I currently pay less for my mortgage on a beautiful home with a garage than I would be paying to rent a shoebox in Worcester or Providence, and not much more than a friend of mine was paying for a ROOM in Boston. And as a bonus I don’t have to live in the armpit of New England anymore! I cannot fathom 600 a month on a car payment as my previous vehicle I bought for 800 and drove for over a year before selling for shy of 3k, and I cannot imagine 600 a month in utilities! As it is I pay about 600 a YEAR for water and sewer, and 150-170 a month to the grid for electric. Shit was definatley more expensive in mass, but I will give it to ma they had SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper health insurance. Groceries were about 100 a week for 2 a couple years ago up here but already it’s bumped up to 150-200 a week for the same crap. I think I have had enough of Trumps “winning” for a lifetime, last year oil was 3.40 a gal my last delivery was just shy of 5 a gallon. Incredible how much living costs have skyrocketed in the last 5 years …

Those are great points! My co worker had a beater prius he bought for 500 bucks a while ago, “dead battery”. He opened up the pack and found 1 or 2 bad cells, replaced them and had a sick commuter! (Granted it looked like previous owners slid cardboard boxes on every flat surface and paint was thrashed) He drove it for years before selling it. Goes to show how far a little elbow grease will go. Believe the previous owner was trading it in because of high cost of replacement pack since a lot of people couldn’t be bothered to open them up! I had not thought about using degraded packs as home storage, that’s an excellent idea. One of these days I want to set up some solar and a battery bank to reduce my grid dependency, and as a bonus have power if we loose grid in a storm. I actually just had a few days of no power due to a rare tornado around here …

I suppose ur right about that. Of all the things for me to complain about my tax money going to, EV incentives should be pretty low on the list lol.

If you want a good car under 3 grand it takes elbow grease. My current Subaru I bought for 3k, I used the proceeds from my previous vehicle to purchase. My previous vehicle was a 800$ Xterra, blown radiator but ran. Did water pump, timing belt, radiator, thermostat, valve cover gaskets and a set of tires + ac high pressure line. That was just under a grand, so into for 1800ish and sold for 2800. Before that I had a e36 that I bought for 2500 bucks needed cooling system work as well, put like 600 bucks of parts in it and beat the fucking brakes off it clutch kicking and drifting all over creation from 140k -> 200k miles and sold for 2500. My 87 jeep was 1500 bucks with a cracked head on a 4.2 carbed amc engine because somebody left water in it over winter, 3 speed automatic. Got a 70k miles engine, 5 speed manual and transfer case out of an 02 for 800 bucks (pulled myself out of a rotted tj, brought over the PCM and wiring harness as well and merged harnesses) and stabbed that in. Had to fabricate my own transmission mount and skid plate for it and after a set of used 33s, winch, etc I’m into it for about 4k. All of these vehicles have been rot free, and purchased all in New England! If you ever want tips on finding a good cheap vehicle, and tips on how to make repairs feel free to reach out. Shits too expensive to gate keep knowledge these days, and the only way to cheap transport is to buy broken and put some sweat equity in. Of course I enjoy this shit so it’s easier for me to spend weekends bruising knuckles and hanging parts than somebody doing purely out of necessity! I have owned 6 motorcycles, only one of them cost me more than 1k. All were purchased as heaps and revived then sold for a mint. If your able bodied and broke you have nothing but opportunity just gotta dial a skill in and get after it!

I have heard that! But it’s on the consumers to ensure they get the old packs to a place that can recycle them. Just like with existing car parts I imagine the suppliers could put a big core charge on replacement battery packs to ensure the old ones are returned for remanufacture.

I’m talking about people making into the 6 figures, they don’t need help from subsidies to buy cars. That’s just giving well to do people money to give to rich corpos 🤷‍♂️ but ur absolutely right all new cars are getting too damned expensive!

Kind of like how it’s not worth mentioning tire micropalstics in a discussion about EV vs ICE emissions?

I have heard of financing. My buddy is currently on his way to paying 32k for a 15k car lmfao. The bank already owns my house, they don’t need to own my transportation too. I spend 40 or so a week on gas during the winter, but in the summer I ride motorcycles every day so my fuel cost is 12-20 a week for 8 or so months of the year! No car payment is going to be cheaper than the transport I own cash right now, simple as that. I have too many bills and shits too expensive to incur another monthly payment!

A comparison of subsidized oil would better be served by having the government subsidize clean energy production and infrastructure. It’s not like the government is handing out subsidies to buy gas cars 🤷‍♂️

When I say millions of years I mean the plankton and our decomposing bodies will eventually make some oil, but by then our planet will be gone anyways lol. I’m sure human civilization won’t make it to see any more oil produced

They have the money to buy an EV, rich people don’t need my tax money to subsidize their purchase. If the EV is that much less appealing than an ice car, then the EV is not ready for market yet! Subsidizing their purchase of a quasi luxury barge that happens to be electric is just giving money to the elite class on both ends at the expense of the proletariat. Encourage the production of affordable, cheap even EVs and infrastructure not 50k+ leather wrapped battery packs on tires lol

While I agree with you, roll back of regulations has also contributed. For example the hemi was going to get killed but now their coming back, diesel emissions have lightened up, and epa no longer cares about the Greenhouse Gas Endangerment Finding and repealed it. There has been a LOT of factors this administration has changed that made EV less appealing and shifted us back to high pollution combustion and shitty refrigerants. I’m not convinced ev subsidies are the way forward, we need better renewable infrastructure to properly fuel our EVs and i think that should be funded by our tax dollars rather than hoping that if more people have evs more private corps will build the infrastructure for it. That’s like encouraging building trains without any tracks to ride on! Plus renewable infrastructure isn’t just for evs, that will help make all our homes greener too!

That’s still 4 times more than I have spent on my last 12 cars with exception of one crazy nice Audi I had that ran me 7500 lol. And I regret spending that much on a car, despite loving the 400hp fire breathing V8 under the hood. I honestly mainly drive motorcycles, which has been the cheapest way for me to reduce my carbon footprint. I get over 50 mpg on my cruiser and near 80 on my dual sport, and both my motorcycles + my Subaru + my jeep all cost less than one POS chevy bolt LOL. I understand I’m a special case because I work on my vehicles so it’s very cheap for me to own a beater, if I didnt have the ability to make all my own repairs and have shop cost on parts and stuff i might consider an EV more strongly but its just way too expensive for now even factoring in what i spend on fuel and repairs.

Oh ur absolutely right, bike tire pollution is probably so insignificant it doesn’t matter. But that comparison was in the spirit of the original comment talking about focusing on the wrong thing and bringing up tire pollution when comparing EV to ice as if EVs aren’t significantly reducing emissions. In the hunt for perfection people will sacrifice improvement. It’s ok to make things better without perfecting them, as long as we are moving in the right direction.