• In Europe (or at least in France), it’s mandatory to put the nutritionnal informations per 100g. It avoids that kind of stupid things

    • The downside there is that if it’s, like, Marmite, you’ll never ever eat 100g in one sitting. So, you have to do a bunch of math to figure out how much salt is in the actual smear you’re using.

      • 6 days

        We do have both on packages, per 100g and per serving, but we don’t have anything wich is a nanogram per serving containing a couple billion servings in a bottle unless it’s anti matter

      • 6 days

        Its at least more accurate than the maths of trying to multiply by the purported zero on a can of avocado oil.

        • Yes. They should require a certain number of significant digits, as opposed to just the nearest integer. Although someone’s saying that they actually let you round down from as many as 5 to 0, which is insane if true.

          • Iirc they let you say something has 0 grams of trans fat if it’s less than 5 grams per serving.

        • Canada, at least, follows the US convention on this one. IIRC serving sizes are set by the government, though, if that’s any different.

  • And legally, they are right. One serving is very, very small, and therefore, one serving is considered to have no [whatever].

    Just like TicTacs. They are 100% sugar to a rounding error, but as the “serving size” is one TicTac, which weighs less than half a gram, it is legally considered “sugar free”.

    Which tells a lot about the real value of “legally”.

    • And who the fuck cares about calories in serving size?

      What about a better standard like calories per 100g?

      • And who the fuck cares about calories in serving size?

        Calories per 100g would be highly misleading in a product like this. You might use a couple or few sprays, but you’re not going to use a significant amount.

        That said, listing calories-per-standard-amount as a secondary requirement I could absolutely get behind.

        The thing people need to remember about serving sizes is that they are 1) based on studies of what people actually consume, and 2) intended to be parts of a meal. You don’t eat “one serving” for a meal. You’d have a serving of several different things. It’s extremely unperfect, but at least it gives you something you can work with. I do specifically like them having to also provide “calories per container”, though - that’s a good attempt to help solve this problem.

        • 7 days

          All products in the EU must indicate all nutritional values both by serving size and by 100 g. Also as a percentage of the recommended daily dose.

          It’s not hard.

          • Did you stop reading after my first para and ignore my second? Also, please show me where I said it was difficult.

            This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. People don’t fucking read and just go off the very tops of emotional response.

            It definitely makes me want to block this community if that’s all it’s gonna be.

            THIS THING GOOD

            THIS THING BAD

            NO NUANCE ALLOW, ME NOT HAVE BRAIN TO THINK OF MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME

            It’s not hard.

            Reading apparently is. To people here, not you or just you at least.

            • JFC. The irony of this entire comment, but the best is…

              This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. People don’t fucking read and just go off the very tops of emotional response… *Proceeds into emotional rant about stupid users*

              The lack of self-awareness here is nearly palpable.

        • 6 days

          Oh it seems I can’t add a photo in a comment.

          Wanted to share one of the olive oil I have here:

          Durchschnitt /100ml:

          Energie 3389 kJ/824 kcal Fett 91,6g davon gesättigte Fettsäuren 14,2g Kohlehydrate 0g davon Zucker 0g Eiweiß 0g Salz 0g

          (Energy, fat, saturated fats, carbohydrates, sugar, salt)

          I now can easily compare different Oils with each other and also have some compassion how much energy per volume the oil has. If I need the exact values for my “serving”, I can easily and correctly calculate them.

          Oh and liquids are specified in amount person 100ml, not per amount in 100g.

          This is useful info. And of course when I use OIL I know what I do, the differences aren’t too large between oils, energy-wise. For snacks I do glance at that info, however.

          (Oh and the label info made me less afraid of using oils - I use quite a lot of olive oil, even more than sunflower oil for cooking. I can use A LOOOT of oil in my cooking , if I just leave out that snickers bar later in the day)

          Update: Btw my sunflower oil declares a serving to be 10ml, while still listing the 100ml values.

        • 6 days

          Calories per serving size is even more misleading here than calories per 100g, given that they’ve chosen their “serving size” by what numbers it lets them put on the packaging instead of by what someone would actually use.

    • The difference here is that I can reasonably believe the quarter second of spray being an accurate serving, but nobody has just one tictac.

      • 6 days

        Quarter of a second of spray is vastly less reasonable as a serving size, no matter how unreasonable you consider stopping at a single tictac.

      • I don’t use spray, but those that use it normally do four or five sprays. Or sometimes even more.

    • Which tells a lot about the real value of “legally”.

      Maybe, but it’s also a reflection of the true usage in these cases. Okay, say they are legally required to list it as one calorie. That basically makes zero difference to how people consume these products - barring some sort of weird edge cases.

    • Saying that 0.25g of oil has 0g of fat is legally wrong. Or should be, why are they rounding down one number and not the other?? Numbers should legally be rounded to the same decimality or whatever as the serving size unit.

      • If the amount of [something] per serving size is below 0.5g, they can legally claim that the food is [something]-free.

        At least with fat, protein, or sugar. Although the food industry would probably lobby for this to apply to lead or cadmium, too. Or any other chemical used in UHP foods.

  • So according to this it has 884 calories per 100g. So 1g has 8.84 calories, and 1/4 of that has 2.2 calories.

    So they can’t even pretend to have rounded down to 0 from a fraction of a calorie. Apparently it’s also loaded with saturated fats. Which tracks since it’s, ya’know, oil.

    • 6 days

      The FDA lets anything under 5 calories to be rounded down to 0. It’s a scam

      • WTF. Like, sure, if you say “no decimal calories needed” it would make sense at the time, and could lead to this by accident. But that’s just silly.

      • 6 days

        Ah so if I just use a table spoon then is still 0! Free oil! (Don’t tell Americans.)

      • 6 days

        What institution in your country ISN’T a piece of shit owned by Big Coconut Oil???

        • 6 days

          To be fair, caloric measurement is always an approximation. No two servings will ever have the exact same number of calories. Even if they did, different gut biomes will also feed on those macronutrients to different extents. Couple that with everyone having different metabolic rates, and 2 calories is indistinguishable from a rounding error.

          And the guidance from the FDA reinforces this. The reason this panel shows 0 instead of 2 is not because anyone screwed up or is trying to mislead; it’s because any serving that provides less than 5 calories is supposed to be rounded to 0 per FDA regulation.

    • I could be wrong but I believe they can round to the nearest 5 calories.

      • that’s how ferrero’s tic-tacs are 0 calories on the label in the u.s… serving size is one mint, calories and sugar content both get rounded down to 0.

      • That would do it. If that is in fact how the law works then they are technically correct, if disingenuous on the calories at least.

        • Yeah, unfortunately, if that’s a US label, that is how the regulations work. The FDA allows rounding to the nearest five. However, if it’s less than five, they allow you to round to 0.

          (1) “Calories, total,” “Total calories,” or “Calories”: A statement of the caloric content per serving, expressed to the nearest 5-calorie increment up to and including 50 calories, and 10-calorie increment above 50 calories, except that amounts less than 5 calories may be expressed as zero. Energy content per serving may also be expressed in kilojoule units, added in parentheses immediately following the statement of the caloric content

          • I understand the reasoning - nobody’s going to drink oil straight out of a spray bottle - but just because the law says they can round down doesn’t mean they have to or should round down.

    • It does have a considerable amount of saturated fat by volume, but it is more loaded with polyunsaturated fat proportionally speaking.

  • You must consider, the info here isn’t random, it’s legally required by the FDA or state regulator. They have to follow the guidelines for packaging labelling requirements precisely. When the serving size is very small, the numbers are misleading. But some manufacturers also use ridiculous serving sizes to fudge the numbers.

    Thats why in Australia, they are required to publish two or three columns of data. Per Serving (which can be skipped if the item is clearly just one serving), per 100g (even if the whole thing is less than 100g net, it makes figureing out percentages easier) and sometimes per whole package.

    I’m not going to eat 12 seperate portions over several days from this bag of chips just because it says that many on the bag. I know this. The manufacturer knows this. The regulator knows this. We all know I’m hoovering that bag clean in 20 minutes. So the manufacturer is forced to give me a number that is easily mathable so I can’t hide the damage, even from myself.

    • You’re correct, but the information they presented isn’t misleading - it’s straight up bullshit.

      • Well, what Agent641 left out is that manufacturers in the US are allowed to “round down” to 0 if the calories/amount per serving are below a certain threshold. So by claiming 1,532 serving, they can get away with saying the calories in each serving are tiny and write 0. Tick-tack uses this to claim 0 calories even though the are mainly sugar, simply by claiming a portion is 1 tick-tack. It’s just another ridiculous US regulation no one wants to fix.

  • It’s zero calories per serving, of which there are over 1500 in that can. It’s a rounding error. If each serving has say 0.2 calories, the whole can might contain 300.

    Also, “1/4 second spray”

    Are you using a fucking aerosol can of avocado oil? 🤨

    • Sprays have their use cases for griddles and molds that need to be lubed.

      Not my daily driver for fats but I don’t see the problem.

      • I suggest getting a reusable 2-in-1 spray/pour bottle. Saves a little money if you’re buying two things of oil. If you’re as frugal as me then you buy the oil from a discount store too.

        • The issue I have with plastic spray nozzles and units with oil is that they get gunky even if you clean them after every use. And most heads are not supposed run through the dishwasher. Which is highly impractical for us. For a while I bought a new one every year just to replace the top part.

          • 7 days

            I also haven’t had one yet that didn’t leak everywhere…

            • 7 days

              My misto started doing a 50:50 spray stream after 5 years. I ran soapy water through it and it got better, does need some upkeep though. After 5 years, i might consider it worn out.

          • Sure, but they also clean very easily. It’s not like a clog kills them, unless you’re using a drying oil, something that turns into varnish inside the pump.

        • what i don’t get is who uses that little oil that they have to spray it? i just pour oil all over it.

          • You may not get it, that’s fine, but it is an extremely common cooking technique. What you’re saying is like saying “Why do people steam things? I don’t steam things, that’s just stupid” (I know you didn’t say it was stupid)

            Pouring oil will be right in some cases, but in other cases WAY more oil and WAY less distributed than desired.

          • 7 days

            One example would be my 1960s egg poacher, about all I use spray for. I could use butter, and have!, but the spray ensures it hits the entire surface and the egg no stick. Yes, I could wipe it with a buttered paper towel, but that’s messy.

            Having said that, I refuse to pay the ridiculous price for spray oil. Only reason I use it is that my wife stocks it for whatever reason.

    • 7 days

      It’s pretty good stuff. Plant based, easy to apply, higher smoke point than olive oil.

  • 6 days

    You, too, are 0 calories if we eat you in small enough bites.

  • 6 days

    So it would take like 6.3 minutes of just holding down the button to fully empty the can ?

    I don’t believe it

    • If you did it in 1/4 second bursts it might, probably longer even as fatigue in your hands will slow you down.

  • 7 days

    lmao, that’s so shameless. Avocado oil is one of the most calorie-dense food in existence.

    • 7 days

      Say “one one-thousand two one-thousand” at normal pace

      Have you ever sprayed cooking oil for that long? I haven’t, and either way that’s only 18 calories

      I wouldn’t consider this terribly misleading, 0.25 second spray for 1 serving of food is very reasonable. Should it really say 2 calories? Yeah, I think it should. Does it matter that much, though?

      • Of course it matters. It’s oil, of course it has calories, and of course it contains fat. To claim otherwise is simply lying.

        And I regularly spray cooking oil for at least two seconds when prepping a sheet tray for baked goods or to roast vegetables, prepping bowls for dough, or a whole host of other common cooking tasks. Don’t try and pretend a 1/4 second spritz is the norm, or a useful serving size for something like oil.

        • 6 days

          You’re addressing half of my point. How many servings of veggies are you making when spraying for 2 seconds?

          • Multiple. I still want to know how many actual calories I’m adding to those veggies though, because it’s not zero.

            • 5 days

              I have the answer! It’s, as near makes no difference, zero.

              Are you this concerned over the calorie content of spices like oregano, which aren’t required to report at all, as well?

              • Why would I be? The calorie density of spices like oregano are incomparable to that of oil.

  • 6 days

    The more interesting why is this in Metric, not in stones, oz, cups or other funny system they’re using.

  • Yeah, the miracle serving sizes. Similar to how tic-tacs are advertised as “low calorie” when they’re basically flavored sugar.

  • that’s why it should say “calories per 100g” instead. no way i’m gonna just use 0.25g. that’s like eating a single potato chip then putting the package away.

    • no way i’m gonna just use 0.25g. t

      The product pictured is an oil spray that you’d use in a pan or like baking sheet or something. If you’re using more than a couple or a few sprays, you are doing it very very wrong, and you need to just use a bottle of oil.

      • I own this stuff, I buy it at Costco, I don’t even think I could spray it for 1/4th a second it’s not got a very precise nozzle. There’s also a huge difference, literally magnitudes, between 1/4th of a second and a few seconds over a pan. I use cooking spray pretty regularly and have a few applications like my ornate Nordic wear pans where a bottle of oil would not work well and it would be nice to know what I’m adding to my food but I chalk it up to the caloric cost of cooking

      • I’ve also seen plenty of UK products that have 2 sets of calorie/nutrition facts side-by-side, one for calories per 100g, and another for either a more typical serving size, or sometimes the whole container, which really strikes me as a fair middle ground. Have a reference quantity that makes it easy to make overall comparisons across all food, but also a reasonable “preset” for displaying the info for the product in question. It lets you eliminate stupid promotional tags like this that let you claim a food is fat-free, calorie-free, or whatever else by requiring a reference standard that doesn’t permit the manufacturer to simply manipulate the serving size until whatever claim they want to make is technically true for the amount they’ve chosen, while also making it easy for people to track their calorie and nutrient intake. The number of canned products I see in the states that have no way to reasonable seal them again and prevent them from going off once you open them, like large cans of energy drinks like Monster, yet have multiple “servings” in the can so the nutrition facts label can claim a serving is actually somewhere around 200 calories is absolutely ridiculous when you considering most people will treat the cans as a single serving and consume double the amount indicated at a minimum.

    • It’s spray oil to stop your real food from sticking when cooking at high temperatures. You wouldn’t want to use 100 grams. You might as well chug olive oil, and not the good olive oil at that.

      • 6 days

        no, but you’re not just comparing it with nothing, you might also want to compare it with other kinds of oil. The absolute number itself is barely relevant, what most people want to know is which oil products are healthier than others.

        • All oil/fat is about 100 calories per tablespoon. The “healthy” and “unhealthy” ones differ in their saturation (rule of thumb, refrigerate it and poke it with your thumb. The harder it is, the more saturated.) and any fat-soluble vitamins, but you pour or scoop a tablespoon, yer gettin’ a hundred calories.

    • I dislike the “calories per 100g” Just tell me how many calories are in the package and I’ll eat the whole thing.

  • 2.21 Kcal per gram.

    spraying it for a full second would be about 10 kcal, and overkill for anything less than a massive steak or making a 6 egg omelette, in other words if you’re using that much you’re either doing it terribly wrong or it’s a rounding error compared to what your actually making.

  • There are lots of US standards like this. You’d be surprised how much product a railroad tank car can contain and still be called “empty”. US industry has an outsized influence on the creation of standards.

    • I don’t like that. Now I’m going to imagine that every “empty” railroad tank car has 100 gallons of dioxins sloshing around.

      • It came up in hazmat training when I was a volunteer firefighter. It’s like handling firearms, you always assume they’re loaded.