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17 hours

Feds Want to Drop Requirement for Autonomous Cars to Have a Brake Pedal

www.nhtsa.gov English

cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/onion/p/1229982/feds-want-to-drop-requirement-for-autonomous-cars-to-have-a-brake-pedal

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    • ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.worldEnglish
      13 hours

      I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. How corrupt is the system? Do the Oceansgate engineers now work for the Fed?

      • GutterRat42@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 hours

        Since most braking systems are still mechanical, I am guessing they want to get rid of the mechanical part to more easily eliminate targets once they hack all the vehicles a la Upload

          • dorkage@lemmy.caEnglish
            8 hours

            Most EVs and Hybrids don’t have a direct hydraulic connection between the brake pedal and the wheel cylinders when everything is healthy.

            There is an accumulator that gets pressurized when you press the brake pedal and then it blends between dynamic and hydraulic brakes as needed.

          • AeronMelon@lemmy.worldEnglish
            16 hours

            ‘These lifeboats are taking up too much deck space on the Titanic.”

            • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              16 hours

              Even if a system that actually performed well in a 100% autonomous mode was available, how is having manual override for safety actions like braking a bad thing? Why would you ever remove that? Removing it provides zero benefit whatsoever.

                • BillyClark@piefed.socialEnglish
                  13 hours

                  I would call a working brake pedal the single most critical safety feature in cars today.

                  • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                    14 hours

                    I’m a sane world, removing the brake pedal (etc) would only occur after extended disuse. When the technology is mature enough and so reliable that it’s a wasted feature that never gets used, and hasn’t been used in a long time.

                    Not when the technology is brand new and this is something still needed on a regular basis.

                      • atrielienz@lemmy.worldEnglish
                        6 hours

                        Likely to still be used in a maintenance or emergency situation where the electronics are dead. If the vehicle has to be moved and a winch isn’t available a brake is pretty much a necessity. Anyone who’s had to push a car out of a lane of travel knows this.

                      • WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.todayEnglish
                        16 hours

                        To be fair, it says brake pedal - there are other possible means of activating a brake such as an old school emergency brake lever.

                        The “benefit” is, of course, money saved for their own pockets.

                          • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                            15 hours

                            Removes requirements for hand- or foot-operated brake controls for vehicles designed never to be operated by a human

                            No this would remove requirements even for emergency/hand brake.

                            • atrielienz@lemmy.worldEnglish
                              15 hours

                              The brake lever is a parking brake. It’s usually (in older cars that don’t have an electronic park brake) a cable actuation of the brake meant to keep your car from rolling away if the parking pawl fails. It’s not the same as the hydraulic braking you’d do with a pedal (and what you’d want in the event of an emergency braking situation). Getting rid of it is beyond foolish.

                            • Giloron@programming.devEnglish
                              14 hours

                              If nobody is in the driver’s seat, then it doesn’t matter if the brake pedal exists. If someone does happen to be sitting there, but isn’t paying attention to driving, they might accidentally hit it. And it would be in the way most (hopefully all) of the time.

                              Sounds like this doesn’t include it, but I think it would be better to have some centrally accessible thing to manually activate the brakes. Then you could do it regardless of where you sat.

                                • acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish
                                  14 hours

                                  like the emergency stop cable on busses.

                                • bluGill@fedia.io
                                  15 hours

                                  There should be a mechanical override emergency brake. However it need not be a pedal. The typical use should be the mechanic verifying it works at the yearly inspection

                                • y0kai [he/him]@anarchist.nexusEnglish
                                  16 hours

                                  OK, but it should be mandatory that all feds can only use these cars.

                                  • Katherine 🪴@piefed.socialEnglish
                                    15 hours

                                    Then states need to ban autonomous cars from public roads.

                                    • Zomg@piefed.worldEnglish
                                      16 hours

                                      Sounds like a way for a “glitch” to occur

                                      • mannycalavera@feddit.ukEnglish
                                        17 hours

                                        Full send!

                                          • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                                            16 hours
                                          • RobotToaster@mander.xyzEnglish
                                            15 hours

                                            I guess it stops the feds having to do the dirty work of cutting people’s brake cables.

                                              • adarza@piefed.caEnglish
                                                13 hours

                                                it’s so much easier to just send the command over the always-on cellular link.

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