Relevant to a post from yesterday: https://lemmy.world/post/49714184
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- 1 month
Jesus watching people celebrate his torture and death with candy eggs and bunnies.
- homes@piefed.worldEnglish1 month
That’s actually the day of his zombie resurrection. The day of his torture and death is referred to, horrifically, as “Good Friday”.
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Bro
I could not keep Good Friday and Black Friday straight until I was in my teens
But no, it makes perfect sense that the good sounding one is when a guy died, and the bad sounding one is a good time to do Christmas shopping… /s
- rugburn@fedinsfw.appEnglish1 month
I love how a meme about marathons is degenerating into a religious discussion…
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For the pedantry: when that term was coined, “good” also meant holy. The day was effectively named “Holy Friday” which makes much more sense.
Alas, the term stuck even as the word’s meaning shifted.
1 monthI think that part he’d like.
It’s the part where we do drone strikes and erect torture prisons, festooned with Jesus iconography, that he’d more likely recoil at.
- 1 month
Jesus watching people wearing a sculpture of his fucking torture, dead and corpse.
Yep, all normal.
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Well… that’s what atheists made it about… When christians ‘celebrate’ his death, they don’t really celebrate his torture and death, but they celebrate the offer he made for the sins of humanity.
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OK then. Why is their symbol the cross, especially ones with Jesus nailed to it, when he paid for everyones’ sins" in Gethsemone via his great suffering?
Then ya’ll celebrate how he was murdered. Really good death cult you’ve got! Completely ignoring the personal sacrifice part and glorifying the suffering and death part!
Woosh doesn’t even begin to describe Christian stupidity.
- AliOski@feddit.nlEnglish1 month
Nice assumption of me being Christian.
The cross symbolizes the sacrifice. Nobody celebrates his death, it is only the fact that he saved humanity with his sacrifice that gets celebrated, and the cross symbolizes this sacrifice.
The cross is a constant reminder of what Jesus went through to save you. The only feeling it is meant to evoke is thankfulness to Jesus and a reminder of how much suffering he saved you from.
I’m just trying to explain what christians believe, because it is getting misrepresented here, causing distorted views on christianity.
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Thats what they taught you. Its still insane to use the symbol of torture as the symbol of a religion. It shows exactly the values this religion espouses: violence, torture, and death. Saying it’s a “constant reminder” is exactly what the institution wants; you remember that if you don’t do what we say, you’re gonna be tortured even after death.
- 1 month
Lol username trying so hard to check out.
We get it, you don’t like it, you don’t understand it. You think it’s stupid. If you genuinely don’t want to understand it, that’s fine, but hate-mongering over it is really lame.
Yes, many believers also hate all the stupid bad things done in the name of various religions, just like you do. But this absolutist “faith in anything bad” take is so tiresome, especially coming from a place of angry ignorance.
Grass. Please go touch. Much love. <3
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sorry little guy, i was raised in the church. church school til 11th grade. i know that bullshit inside and out and I know for a fact that you allllll are suffering from mental illness. it’s not always the same mental illness, but you’re all sick
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you remember that if you don’t do what we say, you’re gonna be tortured even after death.
Not at all what it is portraying. I don’t even understand how you get to that conclusion.
It were the priests that didn’t believe Jesus was telling the truth that killed him. Humanity killed him. Not God.
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ah so you are a christian. there is no reasoning with you bc you believe a spaceghost watches you pee all while ignoring palestinian children being murdered at the hands of the “holy ones.” you are a drain on society and we’re all worse-off bc of you and your ilk
- AliOski@feddit.nlEnglish1 month
I already mentioned multiple times that the assumption that I’m christian is presumptuous.
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His sacrifice wasn’t on the cross. That’s the whole fucking point.
He DID NOT suffer on the cross to save anyone. That was just Roman barbarism towards, “the other”, which is a tradition “Christians” proudly carry forward into this day…
They’re literally all a cult of hypocrites these days.
they celebrate the offer he made for the sins of humanity.
Westerners really don’t like the idea of self-sacrifice. The idea that someone might martyr themselves for a greater cause is anathema to how a consumerist culture operates.
The idea that you’d want to praise someone and celebrate them for speaking truth to power right up until his last moments on Earth is utterly alien to folks who only care about accumulating wealth and leisure time.
The Greek Gods were said to be envious of mortals, because their single life meant that everything they did was more important, more impactful, more decisive, more meaningful than anything a God would ever do.
If Pheidippides is in some way looking down on all this… or even if he isn’t…
He has achieved immortality, in the form of essentially a secular religious tradition stemming from him, that unifies the entire species in the peaceful furtherance and celebration of physical and mental discipline and perserverance.
I cannot easily think of much more noble a legacy to leave behind… he has transcended the specific cricumstances of his life and times, and become the father of a beloved tradition, dedicated to to the indomitability of the human body and spirit.
His particular name might not be as famous as say, Achilles… but …
I feel he wouldn’t mind.
It was, after all, about the delivery of the message, not the messenger himself.
- Earthwormjim91@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
Also, the marathon is only a tiny part of the story, and the very end.
Pheidippides first ran from Athens to Sparta (150mi) to seek help for the battle, then immediately back to Athens, then fought in the battle of Marathon, then ran the 25 miles from Marathon back to Athens to announce the victory.
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Imagine his face when he finds out people are running more than twice the distance just for kicks.
- Legianus@programming.devEnglish1 month
Doubt that many people do. He ran 480 km, participated in the battle of Marathon and then ran ~42 km after and died.
I mean… He didn’t, more than likely he never really existed. That interpretation of the legend is a misconception that was popularized in 1879 by Robert Browning who claims he ran from athens to sparta, back to athens, fought at marathon, and then ran back to Athens where he died.
In reality the first mention of a runner having to do with the battle was made by Herodotus (aka the father of lies) who claimed Pheidippides ran from athens to sparta in two days… Only stopping to have a quick chat with some gods.
Around 500 years later Plutarch claimed a runner named Thersippus or Eukles ran from marathon to Athens to deliver news of victory.
100 years after that Lucian of Samosata claimed that Pheidippides ran from Marathon to Athens to announce victory and then died.
Over 1500 years later Browing would conflate all the stories into one legend about Pheidippides.
So, the earliest source for the story comes 40 years after it supposedly happened, and from a person who was famous for for spinning up some pretty tall tales.
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Man, fuck Herodotus. That guy’s full of shit and has been taken too seriously for too long.
Yeah… Even contemporary writers would constantly criticize him for mixing fantasy into his writing for entertainment purposes.
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My ignorance is being displayed here, I only vaguely remembered the story as him running the ~42km and then dying from exhaustion.
- Legianus@programming.devEnglish1 month
Everyone is ignorant in some way though, you cannot know it all.
The full story is that before the Battle of Marathon, Pheidippides ran around 240 km to Sparta to ask for aid in the upcoming battle and then back to bring their message. He then fought a probably exhaustive battle and then ran to Athens (if I am not mistaken) to tell them of the victory, adding ~ 42 km more.
So in total he ran around 524 km. Not sure in what time exactly, but I assume he wasn’t tardy. Then he died of exhaustion.
By the way, the run to Sparta is, since a few RAF officers did it after WW2, now also a race and your name gets put on a slab of rock somewhere.
That’s a fictional retelling popularized by Robert Browning in the late 1800s of three different accounts from more contemporary authors.
That’s because the legend is most likely a mix of fictional accounts. The one you are thinking of is the story recounted by Lucian of Samosata around 600 years after the events and is a romanticized retelling of a story by Plutarch from a 100 years before.
The one the person who responded to you claiming that he ran like 500km is an even more fictional account from 1874. From an author that combined stories from 3 different more contemporary but still likely fictional accounts.
So honestly you are more correct than the vast majority of the people on this thread.
- Ghoelian@piefed.socialEnglish1 month
The wikipedia article is a little ambiguous on this.
Pheidippides is said to have run approximately 240 kilometres (150 mi) from Athens to Sparta (and back to Athens)
My first interpretation was that the run from Athens to Sparta was 240km, and additionally he ran back to Athens which would be an extra 240km. Which would actually seem correct, as osm’s route is about 217km one way.
That’s a claim made by Herodotus, though in his telling he really only claims he ran to sparta from Athens in two days and made his way back at some point. He was also famous even in his own day to make up stories and greatly exaggerate for dramatic effect, and his story is from 40 years after the events occurred.
In reality, it really doesn’t make sense for one runner to do the whole trek. Ancient greece was famous for having a relay system of runners to deliver important news, similar to the pony express, but without the ponies. It would have been a lot faster and more secure to use the relay system instead of having a random unheard of dude do the whole run.
Nah, that misconception was popularized in the late 1800s and is basically a tall tale based on several other tall tales.
- Legianus@programming.devEnglish1 month
Yes a bit more actually. I answered in more detail to another comment in this thread. Also like another comment said the reporting on it all is a bit nebulous, too.
- qarbone@lemmy.worldEnglish1 month
Get absolutely stamina-mogged, Pheidippides. Should have constitution-maxxed if he wanted to survive
He famously yelled “Nike!” so now I am wondering if “Just Do It” means to die. 🤔
