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- AeronMelon@lemmy.worldEnglish14 days
Wow, glad we got that cleared up in 2026.
The “everything causes autism” groupthink really downplays and distracts from the long-standing but poorly-communicated fact that circumcision offers no health benefit that regular bathing won’t cure.
- nagaram@piefed.socialEnglish14 days
Its crazy to me that the ONLY serious reason anyone gives for why they get babies circumcised is
“I don’t wanna tell my child how to clean their penis”
What a fucking shame. The child rearing fans really wanna make a whole child and then pay a doctor to mutilate them instead of acknowledge they have genitals!
- 14 days
I’d assume it’s more like they don’t want to have to explain to their kid why their penis doesn’t look at all like Daddy’s. Not that it’s a much better reason, though. Curious how many non-circumcised fathers opt for their kids to be circumcised.
- nagaram@piefed.socialEnglish14 days
No if you ask almost every time they will site “hygiene issues”
Or they will say “women prefer it” or something insane.
And that’s assuming they don’t cite religion which is crazy in the US because Christianity does not in any way require it at its core.
- SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish13 days
Or they will say “women prefer it” or something insane
Foreskins increase girth when rolled back.
- nagaram@piefed.socialEnglish13 days
Yeah but if the mutilating doctor is bad enough it becomes ribbed for her pleasure
Check mate atheists
- TransNeko@lemmy.worldEnglish14 days
it’s a holdover from when Jews required all Christians (heretics) have their genitalia mutilated for identification purposes.
Hey look… Israel hold’s America’s leash in the same way that a dog owner holds the leash of a bitch in heat…
And hey look… Israel loves mutilating genitalia. it’s their 3rd favorite pastime right behind raping children (#1) and butchering Palestinians (#2).
13 daysThat’s insane fiction lmao where did you hear this? Jews have always been a minority so the idea that they’re making all the rules is out to lunch haha.
Jews circumsize as an homage to a story in the Bible. It’s supposed to represent a covenant with God.
Judaism doesn’t view other religions as inferior or wrong. Just different. This is actually a neo-nazi trope used by the American KKK and other ideologicalically tangential groups to get more people to be sus about Jews.
The reason North Americans largely circumsize (or used to ) is due to evangelical control and fear of masturbation. It was believed that removing foreskin would limit masturbation (it doesn’t). Go look into Kellog and circumcision.
You’re conflating Israel’s war crimes with Judaism and spouting Nazi-ajacent rhetoric whether your aware of it or not.
- TransNeko@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
let me guess. you are a zionist jew who likes raping dead babies like the rest of the sick fucking in your terrorist “religion”.
- 13 days
For a serious answer: Once my son is old enough to start washing himself I’ll need to show him how to shower. Easiest way to do that, as my dad did with me and his likely did with him, is to shower together. You don’t just drop them in and wish them well, proper hygiene is taught.
- one_old_coder@piefed.socialEnglish13 days
In America you hide everything about sex. But when it comes to school shootings, it’s free for all!
- ranzispa@mander.xyzEnglish13 days
Show them how to clean it, how to wear a condom, how to masturbate.
It’s all part of the education of a child.
- BillyClark@piefed.socialEnglish14 days
Circumcision offers no actual benefit, yet carries the risk of life changing consequences. It’s genital mutilation.
And even if they didn’t see it as mutilation, what kind of an idiot decides that the first thing they need to give their baby is elective cosmetic surgery?
- Seppo@sopuli.xyzEnglish14 days
Religious cultists are literally clinically insane. There’s no point in looking for reasons.
I’m confused… How does regular bathing reduce the spread of HIV and other STIs? How does it remove phimosis?
I’m definitely not saying that the procedure is the right thing to do for infants, but factually there absolutely are medical uses and upsides for some people.
Edit: Downvotes don’t make me incorrect. Use your words. Talk with me like a person. I’m open to being wrong.
No, but that’s what you have condoms for. Much, much more effective.
Oh definitely! Except condoms are not really readily available in a lot of places (for example, parts of Africa) which is where it happens frequently and is a permanent boost. A 30% reduction in transmission is significant.
You don’t have to like it, but I’m factually correct and the science backs me up. See Wikipedia for a primer.
- SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish13 days
Wikipedia has links to one study. I used to work in the HIV field, there are levels of nuance the west doesn’t understand about sex in Africa. One example is the common practice of vaginal drying. The other is the lack of any hygiene training in some regions of the continent.
The last consideration is evolution, there are reasons why foreskins evolved.
Absolutely. There are some truly weird attitudes that are deeply unscientific about this stuff. Even my wife didn’t understand it when we first discussed it. We don’t have any sons, but even if we did I wouldn’t have had them circumcised unless they had a medical issue that required it. And yes that is true even though I am circumcised. No, I don’t care about making any dicks look like mine. That’s fucking weird.
It is completely unnecessary because I live in a place with readily available contraception, low rates of STIs, and other factors.
Am I mad that I was circumcised? No. Am I proud? No. It just is. I don’t understand attitudes about it. Everything is a small trade-off in life. I appreciate the plusses that I gained from it, and don’t really know or care about the minuses because they were never a part of my life.
I have had compliments on it explicitly because I was circumcised and women expressed relief about it. I’ve also been told it looks nicer just hanging there. One lady I used to date would complain about her ex incessantly because he wasn’t exactly the cleanest dude, and when combined with his lack of circumcision, he was kind of gross and you can use your imagination as to what that entailed.
On the other side, my best friend in high school had his circumcision fucked up and every time he got an erection, it hurt because it was done incorrectly and caused one side to “pull” wrong.
I’ve also had a septoplasty later in life so I could breathe better. This argument that you see above would be like going online and telling people that there is a medical use for it, but they come back and start screaming at you in freaked out panicked tones and assume you’re meaning it’s for everyone. It isn’t, but to deny that there is a medical use is actively wrong and harmful.
Thought I was pretty clear by stating it in nearly every post. I’m not talking about babies other than to say they shouldn’t have it done unless they have a very specific medical condition.
And yeah, I’m totally pro-education.
Looking through the Wikipedia article, it should be updated. See studies like:
So no, you’re not factually correct.
Also,
That study is from 2022. Some of the ones linked on Wikipedia are the same age, very slightly older, or even newer. These aren’t studies from the '70s using outdated methodologies or something. It doesn’t nullify the science. They’re both seemingly saying somewhat opposite things but that doesn’t mean that one is outwardly completely wrong, it means at best the science is still out and at worst it depends on specifics of the situation.
And yeah, it would be great if they would provide full health care for everyone, but in people in war torn parts of Africa it’s not really an option because the governments aren’t stable or don’t care. I also wish proper contraception was available everywhere for free, but it isn’t. And even if it were, you can’t tell me that you believe that every person would use it 100% of the time.
So again, every time I see this it’s simply people who don’t like circumcision getting mad that there may, in fact, be a functional use for it somewhere and it’s not just people trying to get their kids dick to look like their dick. That’s such a weird and disturbing dodge.
- SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish13 days
Explain why humans evolved a skin flap that needs to be removed. Many cultures justify removal of the clitoris.
Well it doesn’t need to be removed for most people obviously, but to say it never needs to be removed for anyone is patently false. Same thing with other body parts like adenoids, wisdom teeth, and the gallbladder. It’s not like they have no purpose, but taking them out can fix or avoid medical issues. Reading the medical papers, it seems it is removed because it is the first thing to rip during sexual intercourse, and as we all know from grade school, exchanging blood is one of the fastest way to get STIs or other diseases.
Obviously it is also the best way to cure phimosis which is something my uncle had repaired this way when he was 20 something.
And again, this is probably extremely unnecessary in most areas of the world.
I have never defended, nor said a single positive thing about clitoral removal. Don’t mix up circumcision with it please. They are not the same. I have yet to see a justification for removing anyone’s clitoris that isn’t some crazy religious bullshit that has no basis in scientific fact at all.
- SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish13 days
Except…circumsized males have loss of sensitivity on the glans, and thus prefer not to use condoms.
- liuther9@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
The right thing is not to do it to infants but wait for some age. But these people are so obsessed with other kids dicks. Like it is not vaccination that affects your life too
No, but it is still a barbaric practice that needs to end immediately.
- cmbabul@slrpnk.netEnglish14 days
I am circumcised, autistic, and agree with you.
However it’s crazy dangerous for autistic kids for society to assign blame something clearly unrelated with what their parents believe is something wrong with their child.
- Horsey@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
It’s mutilation because it’s a permanent, irreversible removal of the most sensitive parts of the penis, and removes the gliding action, protection of the head of the penis, there’s no free option to get reversal surgery, usually the frenulum is removed (it’s the most sensitive area), etc.
- ranzispa@mander.xyzEnglish13 days
I still do not understand the mutilation aspect of it. It is a practice which is common in certain cultures and religions. I did not have my children circumcised, not that I even thought about it, but I don’t see how the practice has to be condemned in any way.
It removes a piece of skin from the body, sure. I would not equate that to taking away somebody’s arm. People live their life happily without problems if they are circumcised.
I guess maybe sexual pleasure may be affected? I do not know. I have met plenty people who were circumcised and they never complained about that. After all the nice part in having sex is the connection with the other person.
Regarding the fact that it is protective, sure it is. But I doubt that kind of protection is really needed nowadays when we wear underwear, trousers and have shower almost every day.
Not that I appreciate the practice itself: I don’t really see the point; but I also see no reason to condemn it.
Do many circumcised persons want to revert the operation? I have never heard about that.
- Horsey@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
yes, although the vast majority of circumcised individuals can still copulate, feel sexual gratification, orgasm, etc., the level of sensation loss is so massive that the two experiences are not comparable. As someone circumcised after their first sexual experience, the difference is not comparable. While yes, you can wear a cock ring to immobilize the foreskin to simulate the loss of gliding action, the sensations brought about from tissue that is removed in circumcision makes that simulation a still better experience than the circumcised experience.
All that said, the level of sensitivity declines as you age after circumcision because the head of the penis will generate a thick layer of keratin in response to external friction that wouldn’t occur if the penis was covered by foreskin, much like a callous that develops on your feet or hands from over-manipulation/exposure to stress. Many accounts of adult circumcision cases fail to follow up with patients as they age and the keratin layer develops over time.
My penis was incredibly sensitive feeling following circumcision, but a year later it was dull feeling. 5 years or more later it was numb to sensations of temperature and light touch.
Now, that said, I’ve been undergoing circumcision reversal, and I’m about half way restored. The only parts that have improved are the keratin layer (gone now, temperature and light touch are restored slightly), and the gliding motion.
- the feeling in the rigid band? Gone
- the purse string muscular effect of gathering the skin forward? Gone. (Although skin tensing still occurs when I’m cold, it’s not sufficient to keep the skin forward, and the muscle is gone, so the skin doesn’t collect forward by itself)
- the frenulum? Drastically reduced; in fact, the amount removed varies case to case because our individual anatomy has variation, and the procedure is done by humans which also introduces variation
- the amount of mucosal derived lubrication? Drastically reduced
- liuther9@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
No trauma for me. Though I remember everything, if given an option I would do it again
- billwashere@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
Of course it’s this dumb motherfucker.
Reminds me of this lesson in my middle school biology class where they were talking about cutting the tails off of mice did not cause the mice’s offspring to not have tails. We learned this in middle school.
- BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish14 days
🤔 I’m pretty sure they didn’t know what autism was when they invented circumcision.
Excuse me, circumcision was not invented, it was discovered, like math.
Unlike autism which the Jews invented.
- BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish14 days
RFK Jr.
It’s a pretty safe bet that if someone makes major press these days by saying something completely idiotic about health, it came from him.
- altphoto@lemmy.todayEnglish14 days
Sometimes I walk swinging my arms around as if they were just hanging from my upper torso. I apologize for the lewdness but I don’t feel like I should chop them off.
- tektite@slrpnk.netEnglish13 days
Apparently it CAN, however, include a man putting his mouth on your child’s genitalia and potentially giving them herpes.
- Nouvellalia@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
Weird how no one ever mentions the ancient Jewish tradition of being the first to suck a baby’s penis. But, I guess maybe that’s because it’s not as nasty as the ancient Jewish tradition of mutilating a baby’s penis so he finds masturbation less pleasurable for his entire life, to show their parent’s fealty to the god of suffering.
- Nouvellalia@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
the mohel yells to the crowd, blood spilling down his grinning lips, as he surveys his community, spending extra time in eye contact, lavishing in the recognition from every man, woman, boy, and girl, as they squirm in the recognition that they are owned, wholly, by their pact with the war god, the god of sand and ash.
Edit: so there is no confusion, this is the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim god. I am not singling out those of Jewish faith. yhwh’s gift of suffering, though experienced by us all thanks to his followers, is experienced by none more than those in the three branches of his death cult.
- technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish12 days
this is the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim god.
Completely wrong. Christianity removed the requirement for circumcision in the earliest days. That’s a primary reason why it became so popular. It’s alot easier to join a religion when you don’t have to mutilate your dick.
- Nouvellalia@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
Still the god of sand and ash. Cutting up baby penises is one of the milder things yhwh demands tbh.
… so? Female genital mutilation doesn’t cause autism either, but we don’t use that to make it seem alright.
- FluidBeef@quokk.auEnglish14 days
Maybe they should just stop all this and check whether nuerodivergent people might possibly have other nuerodivergents in their family.
- BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish14 days
Hey, my parents were perfectly normal! My dad liked to spend hours in the basement playing with his model train set, just like my grandpa… Ohh shit.
- mirshafie@europe.pubEnglish13 days
We’re not becoming more aware of neurological differences and diagnosing, we’re just becoming less tolerant. Change my view.
- BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish13 days
I dunno man, it felt pretty intolerant of people who treated me poorly back when I was just considered “weird”, compared to how I’m treated now that I have a known condition. I feel way more accepted now than back before people understood what this all was.
- technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish12 days
People were intolerant before you found a socially acceptable label/role. But nothing was actually diagnosed or treated.
- Nouvellalia@lemmy.worldEnglish12 days
Laughs indigenouly
Less tolerant? No, the skull crushing machine is just running out of its favorite foods. Welcome to the menu.
- technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish12 days
Or maybe even check out social factors and the pseudo-scientific foundations of “mental/behavioral health”.
People will think anything other than they are undiagnosed and passed it on genetically…
- technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish12 days
People will jump to genetic/profitable explanations without any scientific evidence.
It’s such a barbaric act I wish rumors of it causing autism would persist to discourage parents from doing it anyway.
