- hayvan@piefed.worldEnglish5 days
I understood the PoV of the scalpers. They grab something rare to resell. I disagree but I understand.
What I don’t understand is, who the fuck actually pays money for those reservations?
- 5 days
who the fuck actually pays money for those reservations?
Dumbasses with more money than sense
Nothing makes sense anymore. People will buy anything if it’s just hyped up and rare enough, without any regard to it’s utility or intrinsic value. Everything has become bored apes.
And I don’t mean to dunk on the steam machine itself, it is a good device for a particular niche. But at twice the price? That’s perfectly ridiculous.
How is it that eBay doesn’t have any resposibility for helping to crack down on these?
- 5 days
Probably because there is not a firm law on scalping, on top of being international site which makes applying laws even more difficult.
5 daysYea… but also, they’re a private business, they don’t have to accept it. It’s called having integrity.
It’s pretty slimey to be like “welp, we know it’s immoral, but it’s not illegal, so we’ll profit off of it”.
It’s a business and an American one at that. Of course they’re going to put profit over morality.
- halcyoncmdr@piefed.socialEnglish5 days
Company policy to delist scalped products. It’s quite simple. It’s not like these listings are hard to find.
- 5 days
It’s a corporation. They only care about money. Integrity is only important to them if it leads to more money.
- 5 days
This is mostly what it’s designed for, peak capitalism. If it weren’t for the scam concerns presented by the fact that this is a spot in line and not actually a real product sale, eBay would want to have more of this.
If fleaBay stopped them, they’d just do it somewhere else and then they would lose profits and solve nothing. It’s really not their responsibility.
When Ford and Tesla tried to stop stuff like this they were lambasted for infringing on customer freedoms.
https://carbuzz.com/news/ford-sues-john-cena-for-flipping-his-gt-supercar-and-making-a-profit/
Scalpers take hold
Valve did the best they could given the demand, this is pure cope from the author for not getting on the reservation queue
- FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish5 days
I don’t really see the problem. It’s not worth double the price - anyone can go buy a computer and get the same functionality. If it’s worth so much to you to have the valve logo on the thing, then that’s up to you; the actual value though is in its use as a computer, which you can get by other means.
It’s not like a concert ticket where there’s no equivalent.
I would guess that scalpers will have to reduce their prices to shift what they’ve scrambled for when it comes to people actually buying them.
- 5 days
I don’t see how this can work out for the scalpers. If the prices are higher than retail then people would just buy a computer and play the same steam games on it
- 5 days
There are rich people who would buy a steam machine at any price just to own one.
The scalper a protection is also quite bad. Valve only requires a purchase before a certain date. That means scalpers can easily reuse accounts from the Deck and Controller sales…
I said this before but (roughly) sorting the queue by money spend on the platform would make it insanely expensive to scalp, therefore eradicating the practice. Of course that would mean people (like myself) who don‘t spend a lot of money on Steam will need to wait longer, but in the fight against scalpers I think it is worth it. I hate scalpers so much.
- BakedCatboy@lemmy.mlEnglish5 days
Don’t they also require a unique shipping address? I have doubts that the eBay scalpers are anything more than one-off people selling their 1 unit because they know they can get another one later.
Good point. The only scalper I have ever met did it as a lucrative hobby always buying as many PS5 as possible.
- zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish5 days
VALVe knows who is buying a console. Just lock it to this person’s account for 90 days and the problem of the scalpers is gone. Sure enough, some people will be having issues as they have lost access to their account. Realistically, this will be a small number which can be addressed by VALVe support
- 5 days
This would require selling a locked down device. i.e. one where you couldn’t install your own OS. The fact that they don’t do this is one of the big selling points (for me anyway)
- 5 days
How do you know the machine has been scalped? You could gift it to someone and never use your own account on it
- 5 days
They could preload the purchasers account then to resell it they have to open the product and remove the account and then it’s an open box product and can’t be sold as new or they don’t open it and scalpers accounts exposed.
- 5 days
Valve requires a purchase to reserve. So each burner costs them money. It’d be more work for valve though.
Its not even worth the 1000+$ Valve is asking for it. Why are people paying even more?
@Lemmchen
Apparently, there are many people with more money than sense.
Can’t valve just not allow any steam account to register on a steam machine other than the one that preordered it (for a period of time)? I’m guessing that would nip all this in the bud post haste ?
It would probably kill gifts. I guess you could allow the usual steam gift feature, but that again would allow scalpers. The method they’re using to attempt to limit it to one per household is a good idea, but it’s difficult and still susceptible to people finding ways around it. There is just no easy way to fight them effectively.
The only thing that would truly work is for nobody to buy off them, leaving them sitting on a pile of investment with no returns until they drop to retail prices or send it back to Valve for a refund. But boycotts aren’t exactly easy or reliable. We know how hard it can be to hold off on something you really want.
Another case of a shitty few fucking over everyone else.
- 4 days
Oh god, not again. Thankfully they won’t be able to scalp half-life 3, as that will be sold digitally.
- 4 days
couldn’t valve just ban the accounts that are using a serial that doesn’t match any of their purchase order?
- 4 days
Steam already stated they’re limiting to 1 per household.
The longer timeframe also allows us to do some extra validation on the signups to make sure they’re real accounts, with only one per household.
Limit one signup per household. We will use payment method, shipping address, and other information to eliminate multiple entries
the only part they can’t tell is gifting. i think they could fix that by requiring the account that would have to claim it during purchase. otherwise SN + account + location would pretty much end scalping. and if they actually enforced the one household rule more children would actually get their games…
