- osanna@lemmy.vgEnglish1 day
I remember when Sony joked at Xbox’s expense for disallowing secondhand games… they’ve basically done the same here. Fuck Sony.
- GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Nah Sonys is significantly worse. Microsoft was going to have digital trade-in/re-selling and loaning.
2 daysHe isn’t wrong. The last game I pirated was Escape from Butcher Bay, because it wasn’t on steam.
Don’t know why you’re quoting Gabe in this instance, Valve is selling the same “licenses” Sony is, revokable at the whims of the publisher.
- Cypher@aussie.zoneEnglish2 days
Valve have a long history of ensuring that games purchased are still downloadable for customers who purchased them even after publishers have pulled their game off the store, or of providing refunds.
Sony has done neither and that’s a core part of the problem.
Part of this is Valve’s agreements with the publishers.
Sony could easily do this but they’re poisoned by the music and movie industries.
- 2 days
Yeah for all the shit steam gets, I bought that now de-listed Deadpool game like, however many years ago when it first came out (it was okay thanks for asking) and recently started a family sharing thing with my partner on steam, who was surprised to see that not only did I own it, but she could play it through steam’s family share. Are they perfect? Hell no, but is Gabe right about this? Hell yes.
- GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
You can do the same with deadpool on Xbox and PlayStation. It’s delisted there, but if you bought it you can re-download whenever you want.
- Zarobi@aussie.zoneEnglish1 day
For now. After the stunts Sony pulled I wouldn’t trust them at all. Imagine if Steam silently removed even some tools or soundtracks you purchased but never listened to? Instantly all the trust is completely gone. Even if a game is never deleted, it feels like a threat, because it is
- nullspace@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
I’ve got a few like that too. Apparently The Last Remnant got a remaster which for some reason didn’t get a PC release. despite the original being on PC. That sucked, but whatever. Then they removed the original from Steam.
Fuck you, Square.
- GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Sony let you re-download de-listed games.
Their refund system is unacceptable though.
As far as I know, Sony has the same history for games. Valve does not sell movies and TV.
- 1 day
I have games on steam that are not sold anymore and are supported by valve, I can download them, I can discuss with people about thrm, they work flawlessly, but they are not sold anymore.
I can also share ALL of my games with a lot of people as in friends and family, forever!
Not the same.
- WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 day
valve (actually the devs) does not put DRM restrictions into most games. most of them don’t work without steam because the developer coded it with the expectation that steam will always be there, and that can be fixed with the goldberg steam emulator.
most games you can just download from ypur library, prepare it for goldberg, and it will work without steam
- 1 day
Of course, and as long as they exist. They are after all a digital platform, nothing that can be done about that. Still.
Not the same
Exactly right, it’s not. You’re talking about delisted games, not removed games.
- 1 day
I guess you are right, but still, you can’t have that on other platforms and my second point stands strong.
- 1 day
I can also share ALL of my games with a lot of people as in friends and family, forever!
Why would you think you couldn’t share your Sony games with friends and family?
- 1 day
Because I know 2 people with Sony consoles and about 100 with steam accounts.
- Willdrick@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
As far as my account goes, even when publishers remove games, I still have access to my files.
This is crucial for community led projects that revive game servers, like The Crew, Hawken or Blacklight Retribution.
Sony is remotely deleting stuff (or more accurately, threatening to do so)
Just to clarify: I still prefer buying on GOG but the catalog there is slimmer. Steam so far has been more aligned with their users’ rights.
The fact that a company loses a license to something in a game disallows them to keep selling them, not stealing them back from their customers.
even when publishers remove games, I still have access to my files.
Your personal experience here is not relevant. Everyone lost access to their files when Valve allowed Sony to pull Concord from Steam.
Or when Valve pulled Total War Arena, The Day Before, The Culling 2, etc.
Sony is remotely deleting stuff
Sony is not deleting anything. They’re just revoking your access to it.
- Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.caEnglish2 days
because Sony is clearly absolute garbage…
name something valve has done that’s horrendously stupid and anti consumer…
- settxy@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Fighting the classification of lootboxes as gambling. Sony is absolute garbage, but Valve isn’t perfect.
also gabe didn’t invite me to the christening of his superyacht. nor did he invite most of y’all i’m sure. the offensiveness of this
smalllarge oversight cannot be measured.
- 1 day
Well, while Valve had a hand in making that model popular, more so through CSGO, it was really “pioneered” and blown up by EA with FIFA Ultimate Team. Loot box mechanics existed before that even though, I know Maple Story had some.
You’re moving the goal posts. But they are notorious for supporting a multi-billion dollar gambling industry they benefit from.
- 1 day
I agree that it’s not a price issue because I wouldn’t mind paying inflated prices if that money went to the workers. It would be worth it, in fact. But the corporate entities that get that money while the workers get laid off.
- dustycups@aussie.zoneEnglish1 day
Oh the irony:
…Yes I could open it in my browser to avoid this (and the ads)
- Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish1 day
Been feeling this lately with HBO, there app has gone to shit and I’m debating just pirating “the wire” instead of going through the service that we (my partners parents) already pay for
- Aarrodri@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Fuck Sony… Period.
Vote with your money and time. Don’t give them any… if you do… then can’t complain.
- GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Sony are doing this precisely because people have already voted with their wallets. Physical sales are non-existent. Everyone is already all digital on PlayStation and Xbox.
- bier@feddit.nlEnglish1 day
For me it’s also a price issue, after my streaming more expensive year on year at some point I just stopped and paid for VPN and Usenet.
- Velypso@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 day
The ps5 debacle is a bigger problem, alongside the Stop Killing Initiative.
I hate to say it. But the general sentiment will lead to crackdowns on VPNs because they are the only thing between us and corperations for ownership.
Legislatures are already trying to stop us from having privacy, but the corporate lobby tied to the privacy lobby is a deadly situation.
I am lucky enough to have my media where i want it to be, but i am so nervous now that the general public is getting involved - i have a number of friends who would never have asked about this kind of stuff buying hardware.
Im not really sure where that leaves us.
But fucking god damnit. Im sad that it has gotten us here.
- homes@piefed.worldEnglish2 days
Just to poke the hornets nest: if CDs and Blu-ray discs are a crappy medium, moving forward, what would you suggest to be the replacement?
I’m all for physical media, but current optical media is more than a generation past obsolete and needs to be replaced.
- 2 days
I personally don’t get the fixation on physical media. Like sure, you may put it on the shelf, which can be nice. But realistically digital is the way to go for most people. I just want what GOG is doing, where you gat a real installer that just works without internet connection, without steam/gog installed, same today as in 20 years, even if GOG goes under.
- TheOctonaut@piefed.zipEnglish1 day
Thousands of games are distributed in that form on Steam too. It’s a publisher/developer choice which DRM they use on Steam if any.
And if it’s Steam DRM they use, the solution if Steam goes offline is… the button that says “Go Offline”.
- GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
That’s exactly the same with Xbox and PlayStation though (the steam offline bit). You can always play your digital games on your designated “home” console as it stores licenses locally on it.
Steam still suffers the same issue where if steam shuts down and you buy a new PC, you won’t be able to “go offline” on it and play your games. They’ll forever be stuck on the pc that was your “home” PC.
- TheOctonaut@piefed.zipEnglish1 day
System images exist, but ok? Assuming most people don’t have that technical knowledge, all those non-DRM games still work. I can copy and paste Kerbal Space Program and play it anywhere. The games with DRM I bought, I bought knowing what I was buying. I also bought knowing that what I was purchasing was smooth distribution and streamlined updates and safe and easy network play and not running random Russian .exes with an EDM soundtrack while cracking; but also with trust that those would still exist if Steam didn’t.
True. But steam’s DRM is trivial. So if you downloaded your games and steam goes dark, you can easily “crack” them. I often do this to circumvent the 2hr refund window and test longer. As many games try to keep you entertained for at least 2hrs 😁
- 1 day
Sure, but then why pay for them at all, unless you really want to support the devs?
It being legal and convenient is the improved service that can help reduce piracy.
DRM-Free files that the user can archive on their own media, in their own format, as they wish.
The ability to distribute media without shipping physical goods allows for much smaller productions to have wide releases and in some cases to make their games cheaper than otherwise required (cough, switch tax). The issue is the DRM preventing the user from making their own backups, rather than the physical product (although steam does allow you to make backups and copies of your library folder which is cool).
- 1 day
The discs served as a proxy for licensing, right? It’s easy to conflate owning the disc with owning the rights to play the game; but it’s also easy to have DRM render discs useless if a game has “phone home” to unlock itself.
People don’t necessarily want discs, they want to own a copy of the game. It’s not a physical medium that really separates the two, it’s licensing and DRM software.
- GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Every studio would get closed literally within a generation if everyone went DRM free. Every. Single. One.
Btw you can already archive your PS5 and Xbox digital games. You can download them and transfer them to external drives, as many times as you want. Then you can plug those drives in to any Internet connected console and play them with your profile.
