- 22 days
And use a calculator ffs it comes free with whatever device you’re using to ask a chatbot.
- 22 days
People have to know how to create the math problem then. Schools are really falling down here
- 21 days
It’s funny how often these are the same people that complained about math word problems and extracting formulae out of them in school.
22 daysHow do I type the prompt on the calculator?? I can only type numbers???
- 22 days
Skill issue. People genuinly don’tknow how to use their phone properly
- 22 days
You can also get a travel bidet, if you can’t permanently install one, or just want to try it out. It’s basically just a squeeze bottle with a nozzle…
- 22 days
Standing in the shower and spreading your asscheeks is still free
- 22 days
Sure, I guess, for trying out what a bidet would be like, you can do that.
For more regular usage, though, when you can’t install a proper bidet, I would recommend investing the 10-20 bucks for a travel bidet. It’s a lot easier/quicker, when the splash water goes straight into the toilet and you don’t have to completely take off your pants+socks…
- errer@lemmy.worldEnglish22 days
I have wondered what the math of a bidet is. Decent ones cost a few hundred bucks. When does the TP saving win out? How long do bidets last?
There are cheap ones that just connect to the water line between your toilet and the tank and they’re like 20 bucks and they’ll last you a couple years.
It takes a little getting used to the cold water spray, but I mean if you’re that desperate that you’re calculating the 30 cent difference per roll, then it might be worth the investment.
- 22 days
I’ve had mine since 2020 and it cost like $40.
Zero frills. Still $40 apparently.
- 22 days
I’ve got the same one. It’s lasted several years at this point. Aiming is a bit of a pain, but it does the job.
- 22 days
Honestly bidets are super fancy but you could just go with a “bum gun.” Little gentle water sprayer you attach to your toilet line and voila. Got mine for like $20-$30 or something.
Quite incredible. So much that I’m miffed this isn’t a standard expected thing on toilets.
- 22 days
Personally I started using like. 75% less TP once I got a bidet. Combined with spending $30 on the bidet itself, that’s easy savings.
You can get a cheap one for like $25-50 and install it yourself (pretty easy, not actual plumbing, just screwing and unscrewing a few things) and they’re fine. The more expensive ones have heated water, but you don’t need that. I eventually sprang for a “nicer” one, but now I feel that was unnecessary. Maybe I’m a freak, but I prefer the cold water anyway.
- Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish22 days
I know this is a meme, but for the record math is one of the things LLMs are famously worst at
- 22 days
Can confirm; I teach statistics and allow take home exams. I don’t even really need guardrails on the math-- if you cheat via LLM, your answer is almost always hilariously wrong.
- Mika@piefed.caEnglish22 days
I’ve not used gpt for quite a while, but can’t you ask to python script the evaluation?
For simple math that could work, and as long as the question is close enough to an exact match with plenty of published examples to copy.
A good rule of thumb is that the script it will come up with is about as likely to be correct as blindly taking the highest voted answer to the most similar question on Stack Overflow.
If the question is simple and common, the odds are quite good. If the question is nuanced or rare, the odds of a correct result drop off aggressively.
Edit: Your mileage may vary - providing an API to these LLMs that can do math correctly for them is pretty easy. Getting the LLM to consistently detect when to use that API is more challenging.
- 21 days
cannot confirm. have used chatgpt many times to check my physics homework (after doing it myself first) and it was basically correct about 90% of the time.
these were not standard exercises (i think)
Thanks. I think every data point helps people.
I can’t say that particularly shocks me. I imagine that Chat GPT has probably swallowed dozens of Physics textbooks.
The bigger part of the problem is knowing where we are on the human knowledge novelty / training data available curve, or rather, when we need to get off of the ride.
Edit: Any chance your chosen AI has access to Wolfram Alpha as an MCP Tool? Because that would be very different, too.
If it’s successful at math, there’s likely much more than a learning model in play.
Which brings us back to the opacity problem. :(
If the answer machine has been cleverly rigged (and weighted) to pass off math questions to more capable software, things can be great.
But a person who just hears that AI can do math now can have a very bad time if they go blindly use a brute force pleasant answer machine on a math problem. :(
Yesterday I literally had to count 14 thousand pounds of fire extinguishers (as in count each extinguisher in a bunch of crates), one of my coworkers came over and said “Why don’t you just use AI to count them.” They then pulled out their phone, took a picture, asked AI to count them, and was off buy almost 60% on the first crate. Then went “oh, well that’s just one example,”
They then tried 4 more times, being between 75% and 50% off each time. They then went “Oh, well, ummm, nevermind.” and wandered off again.
(I had to count the extinguishers to make a Bill of Lading for them for shipping them out, you need an accurate count otherwise it will be held by the shipping company until you provide a correct BoL with the correct count due to legal reasons. I couldn’t just weigh them and divide the total wieght by the weight of a single extinguisher as they were a bunch of different sizes mixed together. NGL it was the easiest money I’ve ever made at the at job.)
- 22 days
NGL it was the easiest money I’ve ever made at the at job
Easy money for you. For me that work would have been torture.
Oh it sucked for sure, I kept getting interrupted which meant whatever crate I was counting at the time had to be started over.
But the biggest perk was not having to deal with the other idiots on our loading dock for the entire time I was counting.
Though I’ve joked about it in the past I really should get a shirt that says “I’m trying to focus on my job, please don’t distract me” or something like that.
Every single damn time someone tries to do this, its the same result. its so annoying.
The moment someone starts a sentence with “why dont you just” JUDO CHOP is usually the best answer.
- 21 days
Yes, but most of the paid “LLMs” are not actually just LLMs, they have specific aritimetic modules that end up being activated for most math questions that actual LLMs suck at, however are pretty easy for arithmetic modules, like simple calculations, unit conversions, etc…
So yeah, any edge “LLM” tool currently will always get the original question asked here CORRECT even on the free tiers, you can test it yourself on Google Search itself in “AI mode”, on ChatGPT, or DeepSeek…
So you are technically correctly in saying that LLMs suck and cannot be trusted for math in almost any case. However you are wrong on implying that ChatGPT, or other commercial models are just LLMs, they are not.
P.S.: I’m not condoning the use of AI to resolve math related questiona, nor saying that their replies should be trusted, just stating the fact that actual “AI” products use more than just a large language model to generate their responses, and for math related questions most “AI” today will get arithmetic question answered correctly NOT DEPENDING on having training for the exact questiona being asked since they can identify a math arithmetic question being asked and instead of trying to fully generate the answer with the model itself, which would lack the training data to be able to process such wide range of possible question, they generate placeholders internally and let a arithmetic like module do the calculations, which take negligible processing power to be cacoulated by CPUs.
The question I have to ask is, computers have been doing math since the very beginning, and now we are wasting a shit ton of resources (and giving every shred of info to billionaires so they can hold it hostage) to do the same math even worse when that is what the computer was designed for. Has everyone forgotten the purpose of the computer or something? I feel like I’m taking Crazy pills.
Almost everything llm supercomputers do has already been done. It is the least innovative thing. If you take ANYTHING and shove a trillion dollar supercomputer at it, of course its going to be surface level impressive to simpletons. I just do not understand any of the hype. Its not exciting or new. Hell, vr was more interesting than this and that had already been done decades before the oculus and index popularized it. I’m real sick of these bandwagoners pretending they know tech when all they know is corporate overlord advertising.
Not ranting at you ruan but just screaming into the void to be ignored by the mass populace, as per usual.
- 21 days
were before they started just writing a mini-python script for every calculation and executing that.
- 22 days
I just got into a little spat with my friends fiance because she intellectually offloads with AI.
I stand by it.
- theparadox@lemmy.worldEnglish22 days
The number of people I know who now ask AI instead of web searching is… very upsetting.
- arin@lemmy.worldEnglish22 days
That might be intentional and also coz of the shitty ai blog/info sites
In the case of Google it is very much intentional, and documented. Good search means fewer search attempts and that means fewer displayed ads.
100% it is barely usable now I gave Kagi a few tries and was really impressed by how good and sane the results are but I cannot get myself to hand out more money to an American company.
I should add that they are what’s called a Public Benefit Corporation now so there is so effort coming from them.
- 22 days
If you search Google just serves you their AI shit. The other day their AI told me the word “rainy” has 4 letters.
- 22 days
Google search has got so bad in the last couple of years that I actually don’t blame people for using AI for this.
- 22 days
Yesterday I googled: Hardware store “City Name”. It only returned stores from a different city. So I googled: Hardware store “City Name City Name City Name” and it returned a single one for every result
- ジン@quokk.auEnglish22 days
the number of people who are web searching are still majorly just consuming google’s AI and thats… more upsetting
And the toilet’s clogged. Now where are you gonna hide away and procrastinate?
- Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish22 days
This actually isn’t too hard to solve. Double the value of each option by removing the folding requirement from the 2-ply and halving the price of the 3-ply to get an even comparison of 2-ply (330 sheets for $0.70) and 3-ply (300 sheets for $0.60), then recognize that it’s not worth adding 1/6 the price for 1/10th the sheets, to see that the 3-ply option is better.
- 22 days
By the first sentence, you’ve already done more problem solving than an LLM-brained person.
That’s needlessly complicated.
If you’re folding the 2-ply, you only get 165 wipes. So divide 70 by 165 to get 0.42 cents a wipe
Now the 3-ply is 300 wipes, so divide 120 by 300 to get 0.40 cents a wipe
The cheap stuff is more expensive.
I carry a calculator at all times. My math teachers were wrong.
- 22 days
Not folding 3-ply is asking for added expenses in the form of water and soap though… Push right through em
- 22 days
The ply count doesn’t reflect thickness or softness at all. Of the 3-ply toilet papers I’ve used at home, some need three layers to not fall apart on the first wipe, others are fine with a single sheet.
- ジン@quokk.auEnglish22 days
Feel like bidet’s must be accounted for if we gonna start the math justifications
- 22 days
It hurts my brain to do it that way.
300 sheets for 1.2 is a nice division by .6: 500 sheets for $2. So now all we gotta do is multiply by .7 to get 350 sheets for 1.40.
Considering the fold, we are at 330 effective sheets for 1.40. 350 > 330, get the 3 ply (lol).
This is a little bit funky obviously and just works because of seeing a divisor. If not for that I would have tried once each way to get cost per full effective sheet or cost per half effective sheet to see which one has nicer numbers.
… Or just open the calculator app.
- Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish22 days
A nice division by 0.6
Funny how brains can work so differently lol
I’ve had the calculator open for 15 minutes but nothing is happening, is it broken? Help?
- Zarobi@aussie.zoneEnglish22 days
But we need to take into account that the folded 2 ply becomes an effective 4 ply, so you’re getting more ply per penny
Incorrect, I would rather die before asking Chat GPT anything
- 21 days
Would you actually rather die? That seems likely to be an exaggeration but I don’t know you.
- 22 days
You guys don’t have unit pricing? In Australia it’s required by law that supermarkets show price per standard unit of measurement so you can easily compare
- 22 days
We do! What’s really helpful is many products of the same category are in different units. One will be per sheet, one per roll, one per 100 sheets, one per 500 sheets… and then the true thickness is completely different, so 1 ply for one brand will hold up ok while another will start disintegrating the moment you pull it off the roll. Do you feel free yet?
I always check that but have found a couple instances where the math did not work out. Either it was wrong on purpose or by accident
- 21 days
yeah we have the same in europe for e.g. potato salad (price has to be listed per box and per kg) but that doesn’t apply to toilet paper i think … not a food item.
- 22 days
Two ply 70¢ / (330/2) = 0.42 ¢
Three ply 120¢ / 300 = 0.4 ¢
Basically the same.
- 22 days
You meant 3 not one but I get you.
You’d think we would buy a bidet
- 21 days
That comes out to 0.004242 per doubled-up 2-ply sheet vs 0.004 per 3-ply sheet
- dil@piefed.zipEnglish22 days
Its extra fucked because the sheer amount of money ppl at the top have now, like the gap is getting bigger and bigger, why is everyone still broke, how do they benefit from ppl not buying things, like my walmart is full of expired sht all the time now, way less traffix
- 22 days
I shit and shower at work, not simultaneously though
Tap for spoiler
most of the time
Better to shower shit than shit showers.
Edit: fuck, I should have said “better to shit in the shower than shower in the shit”, that would have been way better.
- Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish21 days
Llms will discourage bidet usage so they can use the water instead
I use less of the single ply than the double ply. I think I make it 1.5 ply thick, or something. Anyway, I don’t want a bidet, you guys have fun with that.
