- themurphy@lemmy.mlEnglish11 days
Then they removed their ads from all channels below 8,000 hours, right?.. Right?!
11 daysNo, AFAIK they still push ads on you whether you’re monetized or not.
- pHr34kY@lemmy.worldEnglish11 days
I got “removed” from adsense around 2005. There had better not be ads on my vids.
- rottenmummy@lemmy.mlEnglish11 days
Reminds me of that woman who made science videos on both YouTube and Pornhub and she makes more money on Pornhub.
- evidences@lemmy.worldEnglish11 days
If I’m remembering correctly it was more money per view on pornhub but she had significantly more views on YouTube so the total amount per platform was still significantly in YouTube favor.
Still wild that a porn site theoretically pays better than Google.
- BlaestEgnen@feddit.dkEnglish9 days
I have no clue how common adblock is among YouTube users, but there’s probably a bigger chunk of pornhub viewers on mobile.
Pornhub is also in an unique place, given a lot of advertisers won’t advertise there. Pushing prices down, but simultaneously a different set of advertisers can only advertise there. Pushing the price up. I have absolutely no clue whether or not pornhub charge more per ad view than Google ad services on average
the porn hub ones nude ? like getting undressed as she’s explaining a black hole.
Have a channel url ? asking for a friend
- bedwyr@piefed.caEnglish10 days
idk, pornhub brings google into your porn habits, I don’t want to deal with google at all.
- qyron@sopuli.xyzEnglish11 days
That is actually interesting to know. Makes a person wonder what is the demographic watching the videos and why.
- 🌸𝓯𝓵𝓸𝔀𝓮𝓻🌸@sh.itjust.worksEnglish11 days
The end result is that channels will just post twice as much slop to get to those hours and actually human creators give up, meaning YouTube becomes even more sloppified.
- kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish9 days
The end result is that channels will just post twice as much slop to get to those hours
Slop doesn’t get return viewers, which is counter-productive to reaching a watch hours (or subscribers) threshold.
- MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish10 days
I used to display Google ad links on my site, they accumulated value - slowly, but Google would only cut a check when you reach $100 worth of ads shown. My earnings approached $100 like an asymptote, halfway there in the first 6 months, 3/4 in the first year, 7/8 in the second year, 15/16 in the third… never did quite reach $100, and so my payout for all my effort and showing of their ads remains to this day $0.
I think it would be super easy for them to fudge the numbers on their side.
- MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish9 days
And when you have “proof” they fudged their numbers, how exactly do you make the monster pay? It’s definitely a rigged game.
And they will never stop extracting more value. I just want to prop nebula here, it’s great for creators and there’s a lot of them already on there.
The only thing ‘missing’ is the commenting system, but to me that’s an upgrade.
- jnod4@lemmy.caEnglish11 days
Comm Systems is essential for the community pointing out mistakes or wrong doings
- verifiedbyme@lemmy.worldEnglish10 days
Nebula is awesome. I took a gamble with them and bought lifetime during their second round two years ago and never regretted it. It has only been getting better, here’s to hope that they keep direction.
- nightlily@leminal.spaceEnglish10 days
And if you want comedy, Dropout (formerly College Humor) is a great service that openly encourages you sharing your account with your friends.
- 10 days
The only streaming platform I sub to is Dropout and I happily do it. I believe I stumbled upon Breaking News first, watched first season or so on the high seas. I was in tears from laughing and I’ve been subbed ever since. Great value for the money, imo.
Don’t worry, guys. After creators eat THIS shit sandwich it’ll stop getting worse and everything will be great.
- 10 days
Keep moving the goalposts so YT can just keep more of the ad money for themselves and the line moving up. More enshittification, nothing new is created but the service gets worse in the name of profitability.
At this point I’m convinced that yt just hates smaller creators.
- Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish10 days
Nah, they hate signing checks. Not that long ago, they had a push to bring views to smaller creators, and my algorithm definitely shifted to people with hundreds to thousands of subs, instead of the hundreds of thousands to millions folks.
Now they raise the payment threshold.
Result: big creators get less traffic (money) to “boost small creators”, small creators get less money because they’re too small. YouTube gets to keep more cash.
- Allero@lemmy.todayEnglish11 days
Makes total sense for them. Videos made by small creators take just as much drive space and require just as much CDN distribution, but don’t give nearly as much profit or user engagement.
In essence, YouTube exists specifically because of big channels, and smaller ones are a burden to them.
- bedwyr@piefed.caEnglish10 days
It doesn’t make long term sense, they are driving away the new big content creators, and will lose market share.
They have no competition to speak of so they feel comfortable squeezing their creators, this is only the start.
- oppy1984@lemdro.idEnglish10 days
You’re thinking long term strategy, YT is owned by Alphabet, a publicly traded company, they are only able to think in quarters. All that matters is short term gains for investors, and besides once the short term gains run out the investors will just dump the stock and move on to extracting what they can from the next company.
- bedwyr@piefed.caEnglish9 days
Very true, public firms can’t see past their next few sets of financial statements.
- architect@thelemmy.clubEnglish10 days
I’m honestly surprised they don’t charge for cloud storage for YouTube. Yea, they suck, but also who needs every piece of garbage uploaded in 4k?
likely because they know no one would pay for it. YouTube would die overnight(in terms of content creation). The only people remaining would be the people like Markiplier or the huge content creators that made it big way early on, and even then, I think you would expect heavy resistance against the big content creators just because they’re gonna be the ones that are fronting the majority of the bill just due to how many videos they have uploaded.
YouTube would have better chance of survival requiring a subscription to watch the platform than if they were to try to get content creators to pay for storage, it would be content source suicide.
- kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish9 days
I’m honestly surprised they don’t charge for cloud storage for YouTube.
That’s more how Vimeo works. The creators pay a monthly fee (for uploads over a very small threshold of storage) and have the option to PPV paywall their videos.
- anon_8675309@lemmy.worldEnglish10 days
No. This is just how capitalism works; you steal from the smaller ones while allowing the bigger ones to be the “draw”.
- kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish9 days
Small creators cost youtube more than they earn.
Youtube ads are sold by auction, and there is very little bidding interest in small channels with small audiences. The advertisers want as many eyeballs as possible.
But a small channel’s videos cost youtube the same amount to store as a big channel’s videos.
Why I just push Patreon or another platform fuck trying to earn money through YouTube that worthless.
- Mihies@programming.devEnglish11 days
There is peertube as well, but it lacks monetization. And Patreon is not the answer because not many will bother paying each creator separately (it at all). To me subscription sounds like an ideal solution, but of course, not YouTube.
- deleted@lemmy.worldEnglish11 days
Nebula exists but I subscribed to it like during COVID with Curiosity Stream bundle, however, I find their UI confusing and content discovery was very hard.
- Mihies@programming.devEnglish11 days
Right. I wish more people who post on YouTube would post also on alternatives such as Nebula. I mean it’s only profit for them, isn’t it?
- kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish9 days
Nebula tightly currates which creators they accept onto their platform. Nobody who doesn’t already have a long track record of creating and publishing quality videos is going to be accepted.
Which is good for viewers - less slop to wade through. But it’s hard for creators to break into.
- deleted@lemmy.worldEnglish9 days
They should allow quick unpolished genuine videos. I watch them all the time.
- Mihies@programming.devEnglish9 days
What, they are picky? 👀 They could curate the content, not denying it.
- Zagorath@quokk.auEnglish11 days
Back when they had the Curiosity Stream bundle content discovery basically didn’t matter, because they barely had any content. You could check the site like two or three times a week and there’d be like 4 or 5 new videos each time.
It’s expanded a huge amount since then. And they’ve added a larger degree of content discovery stuff. Personally I mostly just go straight to the “Latest Videos” section (which, unlike the confusingly-similarly-named “New Releases” section, only shows the latest videos from channels you follow), but there are a bunch of other ways you can let it suggest content to you.
- farmgineer@nord.pubEnglish11 days
Especially as someone paid in a currency weaker than the dollar with a lower salary than I’d have in the US, I can’t even afford to do this if I wanted to. I do still subscribe to Nebula which has many creators I like
- kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish9 days
There is peertube as well, but it lacks monetization
It also lacks an audience at any sort of scale.
I publish on both YouTube and peertube. 3-4000 views on youtube, 10-30 on peertube.
Also published on odysee for a while, with similarly 2 digit views.
- Mihies@programming.devEnglish9 days
I applaud your for posting on peertube. And yes, you are right, peertube is at early stages, it lacks discoverability, apps (that’d run on chromecast and TVs in general) and monetization as mentioned. But it’s also a chicken and egg situation. I really do hope it takes off for good.
- rethnor@lemmy.zipEnglish10 days
I’ve seen this, I saw a hard ensure racer with an onlyfans decal on her bike. Her page didn’t have anything sexual on it, I was surprised and relieved.
- 11 days
Yeah, this unfortunately
Honestly that’s why I support YouTube creators on patreon and subscribe star
- Zagorath@quokk.auEnglish11 days
I subscribed to YouTube Red back in the day, when that’s what it was called.
Then circa early 2018 they changed the rules for monetisation from the previous 10k lifetime views to 1k subs & 4k watch hours over 12 months. That was when I unsubscribed from Red and installed an ad blocker. I had always been anti ad-blocker because my view was that people creating content deserve to get paid for it. That’s still my view in principle, but the increasing enshittification of the web thanks in no small part to shit like this from Google has meant I weigh the pros & cons differently. YouTube showed me very directly that they don’t care about supporting their creators. So I decided I didn’t want to support them anymore. It’s not like this was the first problem…the whole “where’s the fair use” thing came before that, and many other events besides. But cutting off small creators like that, without even grandfathering in existing creators who had been monetised with that threshold, was the last straw for me.
It was also Google’s fault that I moved from Ad Block Plus, which I chose specifically because of its “acceptable ads” policy (basically: let through ads that aren’t obnoxious), to uBlock Origin, which lacked such a policy, after YouTube tried blocking ad blockers from YouTube, and UBO was quicker to adapt.
That’s twice now that Google’s own actions have directly led to me supporting them less than I used to. This won’t be the third time, but only because I have no more cuts to give.
- magnue@lemmy.worldEnglish10 days
YouTube became evil the moment we all dislike-bombed their year in review video and they never made another one.
YouTube became evil when google ditched their slogan “don’t be evil!”.
So, it was evil from the start. It just needed to lure enough uncritical consumers in before enshittification started. Piece by piece.
- motruck@lemmy.zipEnglish10 days
Maybe but YouTube wouldn’t have existed if it wasn’t for the years Google paid for it with no monetization in sight.
- motruck@lemmy.zipEnglish6 days
Uh. No it wasn’t. Google footed the bill for years until they were able to make money on it. I’m not saying poor Google but to assume youtube would still exist without Google’s cash is very unlikely.
- danielfm123@lemmy.zipEnglish9 days
More adds and less money for creators… Where is money going? We all know.
- 9 days
On the flip side, I am genuinely curious how much storage and processing time all the AI slop being uploaded is costing them. Some of that stuff is hours long, and like most videos on YouTube, most people aren’t watching it.
- smeenz@lemmy.nzEnglish9 days
Why do so many people abbreviate adverts/advertisements to “adds”… where is the extra d coming from ?
- andz@lemmy.worldEnglish9 days
I’m with you there. When I see “adds”, I want to know where they’re coming from and who’s going to tank them.
Ads, on the other hand, those I’m content with knowing my adblocker is taking care of it.
- 10 days
YouTube says the changes are being introduced to “keep pace with the growth of YouTube, which now sees over 200 billion daily Shorts views and over a billion hours of watch time on TV” every day.
This reminds me of some past employment positions I had with extremely lucrative companies that, upon several employees having pushed and developed their skills to be able to reach production quotas (despite increasing safety hazards), simply raised production standards to avoid paying what was promised (certainly not meeting the threshold of what workers are worth).
In short, if you are a content creator on YouTube, do it for the love of your hobby and make money with your day job.
- 10 days
In short, if you are a content creator on YouTube, do it for the love of your hobby and make money with your day job.
The problem with this is that if you want to get any exposure you have to keep the algorithm happy and the algorithm wants consistent release schedules which means you’ll always have that hanging over your shoulder and fucking up once means nobody will ever see your video in the sea of millions of other videos. It’s an absolute meat grinder which is why so many channels fade out and why people try to do it full time.
Sure you can upload as a hobby but if people aren’t watching it, why go through all the trouble?
- Evotech@lemmy.worldEnglish10 days
All creators start out with zero viewers. That’s just something you have to do until you get traction
The same goes for bands and whatever else
If you can’t deal with that then don’t try
- 9 days
Yeah almost everybody starts from zero but the thing that boosts them up from that is typically the algorithm or ‘winning the lottery’ with some video that goes viral on other platforms. Imagine starting a band with your buddies for fun but you’re forced to play shows every week at the local bar for no pay. If you don’t see a return from that at some point, most would give up before long. I watch a lot of automotive youtubers who start out working on cars in their garage and a few have blown up big while most, at a certain point, just stop uploading or maybe upload once every 6 months before trying again and quitting again. Even ChrisFix with his tens of millions of subs has basically given up (though I think his situation is different where he can just coast off merch sales and revenue from past videos).
- Evotech@lemmy.worldEnglish9 days
Very few experience a sudden burst I think. Most just grind untill one day they have a solid base
Of course most just give up at some point where they can’t tank it financially or mentally anymore
- 10 days
I think it’s called vlogging. Like journaling, it can help yo look back at what worked for you and didn’t, perhaps one day what didn’t work will, when you catch something you missed, before. And there are legitimate other platforms, like PeerTube, but you’re not guaranteed views there either, so again, for the love of your hobby.
- Polisheocket@lemmy.zipEnglish10 days
Big corp squeezing more money from people “because share holders want progress”. BS
Meanwhile, you set yourself up on PeerTube and add a Monero address to your tipping thing and people can tip you as soon as they want to, whether you have one view and less than a watch hour or billions of views and tons of watch hours.
- kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish9 days
You can set up tipping links on youtube on day one as well.
And it has a much bigger pool of potential viewers.
