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Funny how Argentina never thinks to ask the people who actually live there.
They did answer the wrong way for Argentina
1 monthIt’s hilarious how one sided that is. Kim Jong Un style numbers.
And it makes complete sense. Falkland islands isn’t a colony. It was uninhabited before the british got there. It’s literally a freezing windy collection of hills in the middle of nowhere a few dozen british shepherds decided to populate and now rely on mainland UK for loads of stuff. So there’s no reason to say no.
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It has nothing to do with the people. Politicians and oligarchs wave a flag, as they do in any other country, to stir up the masses, but the whole thing is about fishing rights.
- ohulancutash@feddit.ukEnglish1 month
The fishing is bad there.
Oil has been discovered in the territorial waters, but this was long after the war and is as yet unexploited.
Basically, it’s a rallying point that successive corrupt and failing Argentine governments have deployed in an attempt to distract from domestic failings. That’s its value.
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Asking the people that currently leave there is not always the correct course of action though.
You want that land over there? Then you just have to kill/displace anyone currently living there, then fill it with your own citizens, then ask them. Easy land grab. Also a genocide.
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You want that land over there? Then you just have to kill/displace anyone currently living there, then fill it with your own citizens, then ask them. Easy land grab. Also a genocide.
That’s virtually all of human history.
- 1 month
Also this:
Argentina invaded the island killed 3 Falklanders and then got their ass whooped. And to this day Argentines think they are the victims.
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The victims of this conflict are the casualties of a completely pointless war, on either side. Neither side fought for legitimate reasons and both used it to drum up nationalism.
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Helpful, but is there more context here?
Such as who are there people currently living there and therefore voting in this referendum?
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The descendants of the only people to live on the islands since pre-history. Literally the only people whose opinions count, including the uk population and government. It doesn’t matter what the Argentinians or the British think really, same as Greenland - the people who live there want to be a part of the uk
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Sure, I entirely agree on principle. But that’s my question, who are these people? According to Wikipedia, there are no such people:
Although Fuegians from Patagonia may have visited the Falkland Islands in prehistoric times, the islands were uninhabited when Europeans first explored them.
So I suppose I have my answer overall. The people living there are broadly the descendents of the French, Spanich and English who settled there in the late 18th century. The French ceded the settlement to Spain a year after they started, so even just scratching the surface of the situation it looks like it’s been a mess for 250 years.
But in any case, the people living there, now, clearly want to remain a UK territory.
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People who has always live there?
The Maldives has never had Spanish/Argentinian population.
Argentina only claims it based on physical proximity, not on the will of its population.
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Not sure how I feel about this.
From my understanding the island wishes to stay part of the UK, but I don’t know if historically that’s because they colonized the fuck out of it.
Argentina is also kind of an asshole country, so is the UK. Both in their own way.
Argentina also played like absolute assholes. The UK is notorious for being assholes about football.
I guess I’ll just say oof.
A simple rule of thumb in geopolitical disputes is to see who England is supporting, and support the other side.
Corollary: a simple rule of thumb when trying to figure out why some historical tragedy occured is to ask what England was doing at that time.
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Maybe for some things that works but the island is deep in international waters and Argentina never had any cultural ties to the place. It’s purely economic.
And while I don’t really care for the British. There’s really nothing Argentina has a right to I think.
The claim for Argentina is about as strong as America’s claim to Greenland
I don’t want to comment on Argentina’s claim since I know nothing about it. But England should never be allowed to own any other piece of land, and definitely not one in another continent.
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Its good to have an opinion. And it’s great to be able to show and talk about things. Political or otherwise.
Just don’t get mad or surprised when some people show you the door and ask you to leave.
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Please explain to me how this is opposing colonialism? They want to colonise the Falklands themselves.
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Does Argentina belong to the Spanish? Why do you think Argentina should take them? Who lived in Argentina before the Spanish came? Who lived in the Falkland islands, nobody.
It doesn’t matter who lived there first, because I’ll swear on the King’s life that the Brits weren’t first
Also, “who lived in Argentina before the Spanish came?” Maybe the people living there tens of thousands of years before European colonialism hit their shores?
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Really? Who were they? Is there any evidence whatsoever to back this claim up?
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They’ve belonged to them for over 200 years, I don’t see why they don’t.
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Let’s recap islands history:
Deserted, no permanent population.
French set up a settlement.
English makes another, fight the French.
Spain buys French port, fights British.
Britain leaves.
Spain leaves.
Deserted, no permanent population.
Argentina sets up a settlement.
England comes back, fight them off.
Conclusion: “rightfully British”? The law seems to be whoever smacks the other in the teeth and takes it by force, so I suppose that’s accurate.
However, having had a settlement in the island, Argentina’s claim is as valid as the UKs, and they just got smacked in the teeth so my verdict is that Argentina takes over administrative control over the Islands up until such time as they meet again in a world cup.
Thatcher’s dead and buried, defending British imperialism isn’t going to get her to sleep with you
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You’ve still not explained why Argentina should be allowed to colonise it and Britain shouldnt.
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By all the same arguments that you could invoke to justify British colonization in the first place, assuming you’re not going for bullshit like “god gave our King that holy right”.
No one should colonise anything. But the difference between Argentina and The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (God save the King) is as vast as, well, the distance between London and any point in South America
- rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish1 month
There’s evidence of pre-Columbian Argentine peoples using the island.
Ah, yes, the fact that prehistoric Fuegians may have visited the Falklands surely means they’re the birthright of Argentina. Airtight anti-colonialist explanation.
Literally no one was there when France landed there, so you can either a) ask France and Spain for their thoughts, b) resurrect the Fuegians who visited and let them have it, forcibly deporting the people who’ve lived there for centuries, or c) disregard pragmatism and say they aren’t part of any country – either way, you can stop obnoxiously trying to defend Argentina’s baseless colonialist claim under the guise of “anticolonialism”.
To the extent it belongs to anyone, it obviously belongs to the UK far more than it does to the asshurt losers who flaccidly tried and utterly failed to assert sovereignty over it.
it obviously belongs to the UK far more
No land “belongs” to anyone, least of all to the asshurt losers who flaccidly tried and utterly failed to keep their empire alive
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You are aware that the first inhabitants of the Falklands were French? There was nobody to be colonised.
the first inhabitants of the Falklands were French?
😐
That’s certainly a theory.
The island has been a traffic stop for seafaring people since prehistoric times. The Europeans ethically cleansed the natives, then spent three centuries contesting their control.
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How do you know if it’s pre-historic…?
Who were these pre historic natives, and how did they manage to get there without boats?
Did you graduate from any form of schooling?
Are you mistaking penguins for humans
How do you know if it’s pre-historic…?
I would consult an anthropologist on that one.
Who were these pre historic natives
Evidence of prehistoric human activity in the Falkland Islands
Are you mistaking penguins for humans
I’m not mistaking them for the French, if that’s what you’re asking.
The dispute is over whether it should be a military base of a foreign power
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Careful. As in other debates concerning Latin America, magically people outside the region see all the good of colonialism. “Stop crying. ‘America’ is now the name of a country, even if stolen from your territory”. “Mexico lost half the country just as every other country lost territory in the past”. “The Falkand Islands belong to Europeans because they claimed them: simple as that”. “Well, if you didn’t want to lose sovereignty, maybe you should have been stronger against illegal tactics from the CIA and others”. Just precious.
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Isn’t that promoting colonialism?
Opposing would be free Malvinas or something like that.
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Argentina supports Israel and has an ancap president. They aren’t anti colonial.
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Argentina played some of the dirtiest WC soccer I’ve ever seen. Grabbing the English goalie’s arms during a corner kick, regularly shoving opposing players in the back and grabbing their jerseys when they got the ball during a fast break. The referee only handed out a single yellow card, and let everything else pass.
Messi wasn’t doing it so overtly, but everyone else especially Simeone, were just blatant. Have no dog in this race, but that was just gross.
That’s just CONMEBOL and CONCACAF football tbh. It’s kind of funny watching Europeans being all smug about Americans only watching football every 4 years, when it’s equally amusing seeing Europeans who aren’t aware that the American game tends to be more physical and chippy.
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Oh shit, some people who kick a ball around for money have unfurled a banner.
Its over.
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I can’t think of a nation with a bigger chip on their shoulder than Argentine. It’s kind of weird.
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It’s absolutely bizarre, they have no legitimate claim to the islands. It’s like someone moving into your house when you are on holiday, and saying it’s theirs.
Plenty of countries have uninhabited islands as part of their territory, it doesn’t mean they’re up for grabs.
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Had they not invaded there’s a good chance they would be Argentinian by now, which is the funniest part of the whole fiasco.
Gave Thatcher an easy election win, which is genuinely unforgivable.
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That’s the fucking part that blows my mind. They were about to get it back for fucking free. But the Military Dictatorship had to Military it up and then not only got their asses handed to them, but also gave Thatcher and Reaganomics the boost of a lifetime.
Every single time I see anything argentinian named “LAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS XYZ” it feels so fucking pathetic. They put it on a (now worthless) 50 peso banknote.
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Remember the shit that the officials threw at team captains who wanted to wear a rainbow-colored team captains band? That was two or four years ago. IIRC they threatened to ban the player or team for political messages on the field.
If this banner is not a ban-worthy offence, I don’t know it.
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So Messi believes that Argentina should colonize the Falklands? Man I really wish he had just stayed a football autist.
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Every Argentine believes it should be colonized by them. Not a surprise when the country is like 90% descendants of colonizers. It’s the whitest in South America, the indigenous people have been mostly displaced. And it’s also the place that gave fleeing Nazis a home.
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I thought the whole Falkland Islands war in the 80s was mainly as an outlet for Thatcher to rally people behind and justify austerity, which was wanted by the neoliberal admin to distract from the privatization making things more expensive.
- ohulancutash@feddit.ukEnglish1 month
Under the 25-year rule most govt docs are released at the National Archive and, counterintuitively, turns out Thatcher went above and beyond to prevent war, even offering to negotiate the future status of the islands. In their dictatorial vigour the Argentines declined to talk. It was only the coming of Southern winter and the prospect of an entire season where the Argentines could fortify that convinced her to send the fleet.
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.ml account
“I thought… something wildly misinformed, because capitalism!”
I’m utterly flabbergasted. FLABBERGASTED I SAY!
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Dumbass Gauchos failed history. The facts are written below. Are there resources or precious metals on and around the Falklands? Go Spain! I hope they smash the Argentinians, because of Milei.
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These types of displays were banned by FIFA, no? If so , shouldn’t there be some kind of disciplinary action?
They have to double check with FIFA Peace Prize recipient Donald J. Trump before they make any calls, they don’t want to accidentally discipline the wrong team
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No sabía que esta red estaba tan llena de fachos; qué decepcionante cómo defienden tan férreamente al colono inglés en las respuestas.
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“Facho” es cuando uno respeta la voluntad de los habitantes de las Falklands.
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Los habitantes de las Falklands llevan siendo británicos desde hace 200 años. Nunca en la historia de las islas ha habido una población de origen argentino de un tamaño significativo.
Lo que tú propones es que Argentina ocupe las Falklands, en contra de la voluntad de sus residentes, y, en el peor de los casos, los reemplace con individuos de origen argentino. Eso es, por definición, colonialismo.
Asúmelo.
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¿Y cuándo propuse yo cualquier cosa 🤣? Qué inútil debatir por internet.
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¿Y qué piensas que habría que hacer con los británicos que viven en las Falklands y que no quieren ser argentinos?
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No tenés idea de mi familia, ¿por qué harías una afirmación así? Ni que esto fuera Twitter.
