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Superman wasn’t born with powers. He was a normal person on Krypton. He only gained powers when he arrived on Earth.
- Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish6 days
Technically he was… its just the wrong sun around his home planet to let his powers be usable.
But his genetics allow for the powers
- 6 days
Technically Batman didn’t create how powers. He inherited them when his parents were murdered.
One of the rarest powers, costing the lives of so many to amass.
- Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish6 days
No his crazy self improvemen, training and smarts did
Thst was his trigger/ motivation but not the source
- 6 days
Hmmm with this logic I could have super strength or something if there is a livable planet with 0.1x gravity. Hooray I could be a super hero!
You jump in excitement!
You didn’t properly control the strength of your leg muscles and you just exited orbit.
GAME OVER- 6 days
Bur if everyone is super, no one will be.
So hopefully you find the planet on your own.
- Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish6 days
I mean… yes? If you went to another planet and now could fly and are invulnerable wouldn’t you be super abled?
6 daysBatman saw a bat fly through his window and then made himself everyone else’s problem. Classic rich guy behavior.
Superman was an “immigrant” from a wealthy family back home and made himself everyone else’s problem by way of his massive built-in upward mobility
Spider-Man probably did a drug and died falling out a window and every single person he knew was like “we shall also be Spider-Man.”
Edit: I don’t cite so don’t ask.
Spider-Man is half’n’half. He got super strength and agility as well as his “spider senses” from the spider bite.
His webshooters, suits, and other tools he made himself. The Raimi films always bugged me that they made his web shooting stuff a mutation from the bite and not showing off his intelligence and engineering skills. Cuz he also didn’t have money like Batman or Ironman.
- 7 days
The biological webbing coming from his wrists was stupid. If it was a spider mutation, he should have had spinnerettes growing from his rear end. The handmade web shooters were way more logical.
- 6 days
My problem with the handheld ones is that they’re way way too effective. He was good at science but that tech was way way beyond realism. It’s nigh-unbreakable, ultra-accurate and insanely grippy, almost inexhaustible in a single tiny canister. And somehow he can afford to regularly create batches on his limited income. Etc etc.
I mean, having the biological webbing come out of his hands isn’t a whole lot less realistic than the wall crawling or spidey sense. And he’s got weird powers from radioactive spider bite, who says they have to manifest in any specific way.
- Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish6 days
He runs out regularly in combat, even traveling which lead to plot points and how he handles fights though.
Until a writer noticed that the web shooters mean Peter is a once-in-a-century chemist and should be swimming in cash from selling a few things he cobbled together in his apartment. Now, Peter Parker runs a mega-corp. Part of the reason that Miles Morales was introduced is specifically because Peter was no longer an everyman protagonist.
- 6 days
Batman was born rich. It’s the billionaire class that want you to think they are creating wealth and not stealing it.
The irony is Wayne had stupid amounts of money and chose to use personal violence to stop some of the criminals in Gotham rather than funding programs that would have lifted people out of poverty and prevented far more crime, or running for office himself and setting up oversight to stop corruption and programs to offer a hand up to people.
batman has no powers whatsoever. he just a very rich person, much like stark, who bought/develop tech. not really thrust as more of an accident, much like brunce banner.
closest thing would be apocalypse the super-mutant, he was forced upon to gain celestial enhanced powers. i think juggernaut is another one, as is lady deathstrike? another one is phoenix.
- 6 days
He has also trained himself to pretty much the peak of human limits, so there’s that. Which is usually listed in other superheroes’ lists of powers.
In different incarnations he’s also heavily involved in the design of the various tech, it’s more than just “being rich”. That’s really understating both characters.
But I would call super suits and super tech as “powers” in the way they’re frequently talked about. Uber-genius intellects maybe.
- 6 days
In the original comics Batman used to be mostly a detective. Looking for clues, evidence, then tying up criminals for the cops to find (afaik). I’d love a show like “True Detective” but with Batman. Anyway so his powers would be peak of human limits and super intelligent and gadgets.
- 6 days
Batman and Stark both have significant physics bending powers. It’s more obvious with Stark, but both of them have made plenty of things that have bend the laws of physics pretty drastically.
- Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish6 days
That’s the comic’s suspension of disbelief working. In canon they have no powers other than engineering and funding.
I wouldn’t say a fighter pilot has superpowers. The iron man suit has power not the user.
- 6 days
Is wielding mjolnir a superpower? How about magic users? Green lantern’s ring?
Batman created his powers
If I remember well, Batman does not have superpowers. He’s a guy who’s rich, trains a lot, is smart and due to being rich is able to get great equipment to use.
due to being rich is able to get great equipment to use.
That’s the power: gadgets. And also being a genius detective, but largely the gadgets.
- 7 days
One could argue that his genius level intellect and his master detective skills (best detective in the world) are borderline superhuman.
- 7 days
Exactly. We see plenty of Bruce’s physical training. But how often is he depicted designing, implementing, debugging, or maintaining any of the software that is guaranteed to be necessary for the majority of the seemingly endless well-beyond-cutting-edge technology underpinning most of his practical abilities and every one of the impressive number of deus ex machinas in the franchise?
OK, so the only logical conclusion is that he (or Fox as proxy) outsourced most or all of it, requiring obscene wealth. Batman fans may not like it, but money is unequivocally the key super power of the troubled Wayne heir, not his genius or inventiveness. Without the money, Bruce becomes a washed-up chess boxing enthusiast at best, or a cop at worst, but definitely not Batman.
- 6 days
How often? Sometimes. A lot less often than we should. But it’s indicated that he does design a LOT of the equipment in various ways.
Personally I’d love to see a little less Uber-Goth Batman and more of the World’s Greatest Detective.
- 6 days
it’s indicated that he does design a LOT of the equipment
Yeah I think that was the crux of my disillusionment with the character as a young adult lol: just the constant handwavy “rest of the fucking owl” implication that Bruce has been designing something somewhere between the pages, or well before the story began, when I come to learn that thing is a difficult problem in an active research space, or has been built already but required years and hundreds of engineers and scientists to implement, and the writers apparently didn’t check because Bruce’s technical ability was just a magic hat for the plot
the World’s Greatest Detective
Totally with you. That was something I was happy to see them revive in the Arkhamverse. And they really nailed that aspect of the character in that franchise.
- toynbee@piefed.socialEnglish7 days
A long time ago, I read that his superpower was, or was theorized to be, luck. No idea if that’s canon anywhere.
- 7 days
At first I thought, not very lucky to have your parents gunned down in front of you. Now I’m thinking how lucky he was to also not be shot. Damn…
- toynbee@piefed.socialEnglish7 days
Possibly the hypothetical power hadn’t manifested, or maybe had done so only in part, at that point.
I’ve always theorized that his power is “superhuman willpower.”
He has the massive will to obsessively train, study, and do all the things he does. Becoming one of the strongest, smartest, and most effectual people alive. I doubt any human has a higher willpower than Bruce Wayne. He has even out-willpowered Wonder Woman’s lasso-of-truth.- 7 days
I don’t really think that would carry over canonically, or else it would but heads with Green Lantern lore. There are multiple people that seem to have more willpower than Bruce Wayne. I think the only argument to Bruce not being a Green Lantern could be that be likes to instill fear, which us a big no no for the GLs.
There’s an Elseworld story where Bruce Wayne becomes Green Lantern.
- 6 days
Even outside of the Elseworlds title, Bruce has worn a Green Lantern ring before. It is the reason the Yellow Lantern ring first rejects him.
- toynbee@piefed.socialEnglish7 days
True, but wasn’t he also the only human (or otherwise, I think) to dodge Darkseid’s eyebeams? Admittedly it would take willpower to get to the point of being physically able to do so, but from what I understand of the eyebeams, also quite a bit of luck.
Wait, I thought he did get hit by the beams and they sent him back in time, and through what could only be described as an exceptional demonstration of determination and willpower, he worked his way back up through time- through ages & ages, to confront Darkseid again. Maybe we’re thinking of different storylines?
- toynbee@piefed.socialEnglish7 days
It’s very possible. I’ve never read more than a handful of Batman comics. A while ago I was big into TVTropes and Wikipedia regarding some superheroes; I’m pretty sure I read there that he was the only one to have dodged them.
That’s why I keep providing caveats and prefacing my statements with things like "I read … " My claims are by no means authoritative and I don’t mean to represent them as such.
Actually, the further I type this comment, the more I think my source was the Death Battle research team. I did not follow up with primary sources.
That said, a quick search suggests that maybe whatever I read or watched was referencing the cartoons, rather than the comics. DB, as entertaining as they can be, generally sources whatever favors their desired outcome. If it was TVTropes or Wikipedia, they might not have referenced the source or I might have forgotten.
- cenzorrll@piefed.caEnglish7 days
He’s an orc. He’s batshit crazy and believes whatever wild scenario that keeps him alive or out of a situation will happen so strongly that the world bends to his will.
- 7 days
Iron Man is a better example of a superhero who created powers for himself, but he isn’t one of the three most popular
iron man also doesnt have powers, those are his power/battle armor, eventhen he is beaten easily by villians with superpowers.
- 6 days
Yeah, I know, I’m saying he created powers for himself by creating the armour with powers
- 7 days
His superpower is being rich enough to be called eccentric instead of just crazy. You know, crazy, like the label used on all the villains he fights.
The best Batman stories tend to display that the only difference between Batman and his rogues is that Batman’s insanity doesn’t make him dangerous to the general public.
- 7 days
I’m pretty sure Superman wasn’t born with them. He got his powers from his flyby of earth’s yellow sun in the escape pod from Krypton.
Seems a bit daft of the Kryptonian folk to stay there even if they didn’t believe their planet was doomed.
“Move to another planet to be a nearly indestructible God who can fly and shoot lasers and stuff? No thank you. I just got my cabinets arranged how I like them and I am not going through that again.”
Fair point. The planet being destroyed might increase the average intelligence level in this region of space.
I think it was from Kill Bill, but thrtrs a cool speech about how Superman has to put on the costume to become Clark Kent. While other hero’s have to put on the costume to become the hero.
- 7 days
You can’t use money to fight crime, lol. Otherwise USA’s police departments would be doing it.
Study after study shows money spent on food, housing and education does more to prevent crime than policing and incarceration.
Money spent on punching, batarangs, and bat computers do not reduce crimes as much as money spent on food, housing and education.
Also not superpowers.
Will this link suffice? Lance used bananarangs developed by Orangutans, almost the same thing.
- 7 days
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased, and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences.
- cenzorrll@piefed.caEnglish7 days
Investing in children reduces crime. So yes, you can fight crime with money.
I thought he had powers because he was born on Krypton under a red sun, and all Kryptonians gain superhuman powers when exposed to a yellow sun.
- 7 days
But if he had stayed on Krypton, he wouldn’t have any powers, so it took an event to activate it, which isn’t any different than the other scenarios. Batman was born rich, so he already had the potential to be batman, but it took the murder of his parents to set him on his path. Really Spiderman is the odd one out.
Spidey’s parents and his uncle who helped raise him are all dead/murdered. All three are orphans, so that all cancels out. :-).
Peter Parker only became spider-man once his uncle was killed, that set him on the path to use his “great power” with “great responsibility.”
- 6 days
I strongly suspect Peter would have eventually become a superhero even without the death of his uncle.
- 7 days
Spider-man literally started as a pro wrestler who used his powers and a costume to make money
He was costumed and super-powered first, but heroic only after his uncle was killed. (By a thief whom Spidey let get away, since the victim was the wrestling promoter who cheated him out of his first earnings.)
I get the inborn super-healing, and I get the addition of the adamantine (sp?) skeleton, but what powers did he create on his own?
Martial arts ability?
- 7 days
Popularity is Wolverine’s greatest super power, at least according to Deadpool. It’s why he can never be killed. Well I think he was killed, but death isn’t permanent in comics.
Fun fact: Wolverine was cut from the X-Men by the executives at Marvel because they thought no would like him. After about a year of mediocre sales, the execs didn’t care what they did with X-Men so the writers only then introduced Wolverine. Then suddenly the X-Men was one of the best selling comics at Marvel.
Hah, I’m old enough to remember how that actually went down in the struggling Marvel offices at the time. Early-to-mid 70’s was his actual creation-moment IIRC.
You should read Mark Evanier’s blog if you’re actually curious about this stuff…
Practically a prerequisite for the superhero club. That and body-building, I guess.
Wolverine is at least born and thrust upon. Any examples of all three?
I am a lay person when it comes to comics, so feel free to tear me apart here. Could Bruce Banner potentially be all 3? His DNA was able to absorb the gamma radiation (born with it), he then had the radiation thrust upon him, and then he did whatever he did to make himself the smart hulk?
A bit of a reach, I know.
Yeah, that’d play. I was thinking maybe Dr. Strange, but Banner is better.
Dr. Strange is a really good one too! Drawing energy from other realms and all.
- Lodespawn@aussie.zoneEnglish7 days
Wolverine was born with healing factor, trained in his fighting skills and then had his admantium skeleton thrust upon him
Yeah, I was thinking that but wasn’t convinced. Similarly Batman was born rich, trained hard and had bereavement thrust upon, which likely created the persona. Perhaps we’re all a bit nature, nurture, and luck.
- psx_crab@lemmy.zipEnglish7 days
Naruto i guess? He’s a child of a very powerful ninja(born), had a powerful creature sealed inside him at birth(thrust upon), and have to learn how to actually unlease and control that power(create).
Otherwise i can’t seems to remember anyone that does have the 3.
